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Hyu wrote:E si mund te jene Triballet serbe, nuk kishte race serbe ne ato vite mor Aleksander.

Aleksandër wrote:

Hyu wrote:E si mund te jene Triballet serbe, nuk kishte race serbe ne ato vite mor Aleksander.

Kemi burime historike që para Krishtit të cilat citojnë ekzistencën e serbëve si etni, dmth si servianë në atë periudhë. Gjithashtu në shek e X kemi një kronikë në gjuhën e tyre në zonën e Dokleas.

Të përshëndes.

Zeus10 wrote:Ato qe lexoni per dyndje etnish sllave etj, jane veçse dokrra te rregulluara bukur ne institucionet europiane te historise(lexo antihistorise), per mashtrim popullor.

Aleksandër wrote:

Zeus10 wrote:Ato qe lexoni per dyndje etnish sllave etj, jane veçse dokrra te rregulluara bukur ne institucionet europiane te historise(lexo antihistorise), per mashtrim popullor.

Ju thoni se nuk pati dyndje sllave në shek e VI? Atëherë çfarë etnie ishte ajo që pranoi edhe perandori bizantin Herakliu në tokat e atëhershme ilire? Bizanti i zënë ngushtë nga lufta me arabët i dha dritën jëshile sllavëve të jugut për të ozurpuar këto territore sepse më parë Justiniani i Madh ilir i kishte përzënë për në Anadoll hordhitë e para që zbritën. Gjithashtu kishte fortifikuar Ilirinë me rreth 60 kështjella.

Zeus10 wrote:

Aleksandër wrote:

Hyu wrote:E si mund te jene Triballet serbe, nuk kishte race serbe ne ato vite mor Aleksander.

Kemi burime historike që para Krishtit të cilat citojnë ekzistencën e serbëve si etni, dmth si servianë në atë periudhë. Gjithashtu në shek e X kemi një kronikë në gjuhën e tyre në zonën e Dokleas.

Të përshëndes.

Ne jemi te rrethuar nga kombe, qe kompaktesimin etnik, e kane bere vetem gjate formimit te shteteve te tyre. Nese do te shikojme historine e Serbise, races dhe gjuhes serbe, do te veme re se asnje element gjuhesor apo gjaku, nuk i bashkonte bashkesine qe sot quhen serbe=serve=sllave=skllever=shkja etj etj ne ate qe quhet etni. Vellazeria serbe, deri ne mesjeten e vone, perbehej vetem nga nje bashkesi religjioze rrotur Kishes Sllave, me etni te shumellojshme, qe folen gradualisht ne rritje GJUHEN E KISHES SLLAVE, nje krijim njerezor me baze gjuhen e vendasve.

Une e kam lexuar me vemendje historine e gjuhes se tyre, pervec fakteve qe ajo ka qene gjuhe e Kishes, nuk kam gjetur qofte dhe nje fakt te vetem ta bente ate vernikulare. Sigurisht feudalet sundues ishin te paret qe adoptuan kete gjuhe, por ajo vone u be gjuhe e popullit. Ato qe lexoni per dyndje etnish sllave etj, jane veçse dokrra te rregulluara bukur ne institucionet europiane te historise(lexo antihistorise), per mashtrim popullor.

Hyu wrote:Kerkush nuk e di neqoftese princat e tyre ishin serbe apo kane pase mbartur vetem emra prapashtesa sllave dhe flisnin perdita gjuhen e shkjaut.

For these nations, the Sclaveni and the Antae, are not ruled by one man, but they have lived from of old under a democracy, and consequently everything which involves their welfare, whether for good or for ill, is referred to the people. It is also true that in all other matters, practically speaking, these two barbarian peoples have had from ancient times the same institutions and customs. For they believe that one god, the maker of lightning, is alone lord of all things, and they sacrifice to him cattle and all other victims; but as for fate, they neither know it nor do they in any wise admit that it has any power among men, but whenever death stands close before them, either stricken with sickness or beginning a war, they make a promise that, if they escape, they will straightway make a sacrifice to the god in return for their life; and if they escape, they sacrifice just what they have promised, and consider that their safety has been bought with this same sacrifice. They reverence, however, both rivers and nymphs and some other spirits, and they sacrifice to all these also, and they make their divinations in connection with these sacrifices. They live in pitiful hovels which they set up far apart from one another, but, as a general thing, every man is constantly changing his place of abode. When they enter battle, the majority of them go against their enemy on foot carrying little shields and javelins in their hands, but they never wear corselets. Indeed, some of them do not wear even a shirt or a cloak, but gathering their trews up as far as to their private parts they enter into battle with their opponents. And both the two peoples have also the same language, an utterly barbarous tongue. Nay further, they do not differ at all from one another in appearance. For they are all exceptionally tall and stalwart men, while their bodies and hair are neither very fair or blonde, nor indeed do they incline entirely to the dark type, but they are all slightly ruddy in color. And they live a hard life, giving no heed to bodily comforts, just as the Massagetae do, and like them, they are continually and at all times covered with filth; however, they are in no respect base or evil-doers, but they preserve the Hunnic character in all its simplicity. In fact, the Sclaveni and the Antae actually had a single name in the remote past; for they were both called Spori in olden times, because, I suppose, living apart one man from another, they inhabit their country in a sporadic fashion. And in consequence of this very fact they hold a great amount of land; for they alone inhabit the greatest part of the northern bank of the Ister. So much then may be said regarding these peoples.

The Medes and the Saracens had ravaged most of Asia, and the Huns and Slavs all of Europe; captured cities had either been razed to their foundations, or made to pay terrible tribute; men had been carried off into slavery together with all their property, and every district had been deserted by its inhabitants because of the daily raids

Procopius 'Secret history' chp 23

Consequently no place, mountain or cave, or any other spot in Roman territory, during this time remained uninjured; and many regions were pillaged more than five times.
These misfortunes, and those that were caused by the Medes, Saracens, Slavs, Antes, and the rest of the barbarians, I described in my previous works.