"...For all these reasons, the Greek state does not feel truly compelled to pay its creditors back, just as Greek citizens do not feel under duress to pay their fines to some alien state. True, the government is no longer German nor military (since 1973), yet the Republic is not absolutely legitimate: because of a widespread corruption among the politicians, of an inefficient administration but also – much less talked about- because many Greeks have not got over the 1949 civil war, silenced by a Anglo-American military intervention. Add to this millions of citizens forced to speak Greek, cultural minorities denied of all legitimacy while they are of Albanian or Turkish origins! In all, the citizens base, which considers the Greek state as a legitimate one, is as fragile as the economy base which, for the main part, lives “off shore”, far from the Internal Revenue Service...."
http://www.hebdo.ch/the_greek_grand_debt_123632_.html
Pjesë e nji artikull shumë interesant botue në HEBDO me 28/09/2011
Në pjesën e sipërpostueme flitet ndër të tjera për minoritetet në Greqi të cilat janë të dëtyrueme me folë vetëm greqisht
dhe të cilat as që pranohen si të tilla.
Në fillim të artikullit(që nuk e kam postue këtu) autori i artikullit shkruen qartas që Greqia asht nji shtet artificial dhe vazhdon tue tregue sesi ka arritun me përfitue gjithëmonë nga mënyra sesi e shofin disa shtete tjera europiane.
Nëse ndokush prej forumistëve që zotnon mir anglishten e sheh të arsyeshëm le të bajë ndo nji përkthim në shqip ose
ta postojë artikullin në pjesën e forumit në gjuhën anglishte
"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto ▬ Skanderbeg, October 31 1460
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Re: Cfar shkruen Sorman për Greqinë
The Greek Grand Debt. Par Guy Sorman - Mis en ligne le 28.09.2011 à 23:22 The Greek state is an invention of European powers: this is why it does not appear as truly legitimate, even in the eyes of the Greek citizens themselves. This 1830 invention of Greece throws light on the behavior of the taxpayers - in no hurry to pay their taxes - and on a State never deprived of its doubtful origins. This contemporary history speaks better of the brewing bankruptcy than any accounting considerations. It all began with the Romantics, when Chateaubriand, great writer yet also wonderful fibber, then Lord Byron, thought they could retrieve in Greece the sources of occidental civilization. A misunderstanding for which we are now paying the price: if it is true that the Greek live on the same land as Aristotle and Pericles, there is no great continuation between the Hellenic civilization and modern Greece. The Byzantium line, from which modern Greeks proclaim they descend from, is a weak one. Mark Twain was more realistic: when visiting Athens in 1865, he admitted he had only met a few shepherds, whose sheep were grazing amid the ramshackle columns of the Parthenon. Those Greeks, actually, were a Christian tribe among others in the Ottoman Empire. Yet just as Don Quichotte dreamt that an ugly peasant girl was the love of his life, Europeans wanted all Greeks to be Hellenics. We cannot blame the Greeks for taking advantage of the situation: throughout the whole 19th century, the Greek state‘s finances were supported by the British, the French and the German. Those last paid for having foisted a German prince on the throne of Greece in 1833 : this vague descendant of Alexander the Great bore the curious name of Othon of Baviere and ruled over a former Christian Ottoman tribe. This is how the exploitation of the Hellenistic myth became a main resource of the newly Greek state, provided that the other Europeans paid. Even though the Greek state and economy did not fulfill any of the conditions required to enter the European Union, Greece became one of its member as early as 1981, with the particular support of Valéry Giscard d’Estaing, great reader of Chateaubriand. “Greece, he said, being the crib of European civilization, the makers of Europe hold to it an historical debt”. The message is clear: Greece does not refuse to pay its debt, it is Europe which is in debt. It is doubtless that many Greeks share this high opinion of themselves, since it has been imposed on them. And why pay today’s debt as long the historical debt remains unpaid? The limitless mystification reappeared in 2001 when Greece entered the euro area without fulfilling any of the necessary conditions. We now blame Greek leaders for cooking the books, until the day the financial markets discovered the imposture. Yet it is not true: in 2001, the European leaders knew and said, privately, that the data given by the Greek state were wrong, but symbolically Greece had to a part of it; historical debt again. Once more, when Athens mayor stood for the 2004 Olympic games, the international Olympic committee knew that Greece could not afford it. But how to say no to the Olympic games in Athens, since it is their birthplace (or somewhere around), before Pierre de Coubertin reinvented them in 1896? For all these reasons, the Greek state does not feel truly compelled to pay its creditors back, just as Greek citizens do not feel under duress to pay their fines to some alien state. True, the government is no longer German nor military (since 1973), yet the Republic is not absolutely legitimate: because of a widespread corruption among the politicians, of an inefficient administration but also – much less talked about- because many Greeks have not got over the 1949 civil war, silenced by a Anglo-American military intervention. Add to this millions of citizens forced to speak Greek, cultural minorities denied of all legitimacy while they are of Albanian or Turkish origins! In all, the citizens base, which considers the Greek state as a legitimate one, is as fragile as the economy base which, for the main part, lives “off shore”, far from the Internal Revenue Service. For all these historical and cultural reasons, the Greek government is made to make more and more promises that he won’t be able to keep (taxes are not going to flow in the coffers of the State) or that he doesn’t wish to keep (privatizations would deny the state its influence and reduce populism), with the implicit hope that the Europeans will, once more, yield to the fascination of the myth. The outcome is uncertain, as Europe suffers towards Greece of an “Oedipus complex”: if Greece is both our father and mother, the myth has to be killed; Greeks and Europeans have to admit that Greece is a country like any other, for the historical Debt to be settled and the current debt to be paid of ( a negotiated bankruptcy within the euro zone , would of course , be the best outcome for everybody). ![]() |
Shteti grek eshte nje shpikje e fuqive te medha Europiane: kjo eshte arsyeja pse ai nuk shfaqet plotesisht legjitim, bile dhe ne syte e vete qytetareve greke. Kjo shpikje e Greqise e 1830-es, shpjegon sjelljen e taksapaguesve, qe nuk nxitojne kurre te paguajne taksat e tyre, dhe te shtetit qe kurre nuk u privua nga origjina e tij e dyshimte. Historia aktuale flet me qarte per falimentimin e gatuar se sa cdo konsiderate tjeter. E gjitha filloi me Romantiket, me shkrimtarin e madh Chateaubriand me trillimet e tij akoma te mrekullueshme, pastaj me Lord Bajronin dhe te mendosh qe ata gjenin ne Greqi, fillimet e Qyteterimit Perendimor. Ky eshte nje keqkuptim per te cilin ne tani po paguajme cmimin: nese eshte e vertete qe greket jetojne ne te njejten toke si Aristotetli dhe Perikliu, nuk ka ndonje vazhdimesi te madhe midis qyteterimit helenik dhe grekeve te sotem. Linja bizantine prej te cileve greket shpallin vazhdimesine, eshte dhe ajo e dobet. Mark Twain ishte me realist, kur ai vizitoi Greqine me 1865, ai pranoi te kishte takuar vetem ca barinj, bagetia e te cileve kulloste ne mes te kolonave te parthenonit qe mezi mbaheshin ne kembe. Greket per te cilet po flasim, ishin vecse nje fis i krishtere, mes shume te tjereve ne Perandorine Osmane. Pikerisht tamam si Don Kishoti enderonte se si nje vajze e shemtuar fshati, ishte dashuria e jetes se tij, Europianet donin gjithe greket te ishin helenike. Ne nuk mund te fajesojme greket, qe shfrytezuan rastin, qekurse pergjate gjithe shekullit te 19-e, financat greke shteterore, u mbuluan nga francezet anglezet dhe gjermanet. Keta te fundit bile paguan per te natyralizuar nje princ gjerman ne fronin grek mbreteror me 1833: dhe ky trashgimtar i turbullt i Aleksandrit te Madh, huazoi emrin interesant te Otonit te Bavarise duke sunduar permbi nje ish fisi te krishtere te Perandorise Otomane.
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