"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto ▬ Skanderbeg, October 31 1460

Ilirishtja - satem apo kentum

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Post by ALBPelasgian » Fri May 08, 2015 7:41 pm

Nje debat i nismuar qysh nga Kretchmeri e Hirt, edhe sot e kesaj dite vazhdon te jete kunderthenes pavaresisht se materialet nga ilirishtja nuk eshte se kane shenuar ndonje rritje cilesore prej kohes se dy te lartepermendurve. Ndonese ceshtja dihotomike kentum/satem e ndarjes se gjuheve e ka humbur rendesine ne driten e zhvillimeve te reja, kjo ndarje vazhdon te permendet shpesh. Ne debatin vicioz per rindertimin diakronik te filleve te shqipes, ceshtja satem/kentum e paraardhesit gjuhesor te shqipes vazhdon te mbetet nje problem pivotal. Nga ajo qe kam lexuar, duke iu falenderuar Joklit, Cimochowskit e mbi te gjitha I.Russu, kam fituar bindjen se materialet e mbetura te ilirishtes nga onomastika flasin me teper per nje karakter satem te ilirishtes, ashtu sikunder edhe shqipja. Nje vale satemizimi - sic do ta quante italiani Vittore Pisani - perfshiu edhe Ballkanin e vjeter, pasojat e te ciles do te vereheshin ne ilirishten historike, e sidomos ne rajonet jugore qe perputhen me arealin e sotem te shqipes.

Duke qene se dihotomia kentum/satem po keqperdoret si pasoje e informacioneve keqdrejtuese (kryesisht Wiki), duke u interpretuar sipas deshires nga keqdashes e medioker, do te ishte me vend sikur t'i grumbullonin ne nje vend njohurite tona mbi kete ceshtje. Ndonese artikulli ne vijim mbron pikepamjen e kundert, sipas te ciles ilirishtja eshte gjuhe e tipit kentum, kam nderin te ndaj me ju nje trajtese qe ishte botuar dikur ne faqet e te vyeshmes Hylli i Drites (Hylli i drites, vjeti XVI, 1940, ff. 216-219).

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Hylli i Drites, Maj-Qershuer, 1940, XVIII, Vjeti XVI, Shkoder.
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Post by Zeus10 » Fri May 08, 2015 8:09 pm

Alb, figurat nuk jane shfaqur.
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Post by ALBPelasgian » Sat May 09, 2015 7:44 am

Zeus, mua po me del gjithcka ne rregull dhe te gjitha faqet e skanuara shfaqen...
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Post by Zeus10 » Sun May 10, 2015 8:55 pm

Mesa duket mua mi bllokon antivirusi.
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Post by rrëqebull » Sun May 10, 2015 10:40 pm

Ka diçka që nuk shkon me këtë faqen ku janë ngarkuar pamjet sepse edhe mua ma ngadalësoi dhe ndërpreu për disa minuta lidhjen ndërrjetore kur i hapa herën e parë.

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