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PS. Mund te kete gabime gramatikore dhe nje gjuhe jo te zgjedhur, por mendoj se artikulli eshte i gatshem per tu perkthyer dhe hedhur atje ku ndiqet me shume, ne youtube.
"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto ▬ Skanderbeg, October 31 1460
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Mas, Mat dhe maturia jone dhe gjuha PIE.
U be nje kohe e gjate, qe intelektualet, shkollaret dhe linguistat perendimore, ne pamundesi per te zbuluar rrenjet e verteta te gjuheve kane dale me teorine e gjuhes Proto-Indo-Europiane, nje gjuhe tashme e zhdukur, sipas tyre, nga e cila gjithmone sipas tyre burojne te gjitha gjuhet europiane, duke pasur te njejten vlere si gjuhet natyrore dhe ato vehiculare. shembulli i meposhtem eshte nje nga shembujt e shume, qe kjo gje ska gjasa te jete e vertete, rrenjet empirike te gjuhes PIE jane vecse nje sajese "shkencore", e cila e mbulon akoma me me mister gjithe ceshtjen. E verteta eshte se te gjitha fjalet e shkruara/folura, jane produkt grafik/leksikor i transformimit te fjaleve primitive qe bartin nje koncept te caktuar, dhe nuk ka kurfare rrenje te perbashket PIE, me te cilat linguistet i kane mbushur librat plote, duke e cfokusuar vemendjen tone nga e verteta e thjeshte. Le ta shohim kete rast, une i vura titullin.
TE MASESH GJUHEN PIE
PS. Mund te kete gabime gramatikore dhe nje gjuhe jo te zgjedhur, por mendoj se artikulli eshte i gatshem per tu perkthyer dhe hedhur atje ku ndiqet me shume, ne youtube.
TE MASESH GJUHEN PIE
PS. Mund te kete gabime gramatikore dhe nje gjuhe jo te zgjedhur, por mendoj se artikulli eshte i gatshem per tu perkthyer dhe hedhur atje ku ndiqet me shume, ne youtube.
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Re: Mas, Mat dhe maturia jone dhe gjuha PIE.
Zeus!
Lexo genjeshtren e pare te 60 vjeteve te fundit.
Linear B Deciphered
For a long time the Linear B script did not disclose its secret to those who worked on its solution. Nor was the decipherment facilitated by the manner in which Sir Arthur Evans published the texts of the Linear B tablets—not all at once, but seriatim. When Blegen discovered the Linear B tablets on the Greek mainland in the ruins of the ancient palace in Pylos, they were ascribed to the Heroic Age of Troy, the final stage of the Mycenaean Age that ended abruptly.
Yet even after the Linear B tablets were found on the mainland of Greece their language was not thought to be Greek. The reason for that was, first of all, in the accepted chronological scale: the Ionian age, according to conventional chronology, was separated from the Mycenaean Age by five hundred years. Greek writing appears for the first time in the eighth century. Efforts to read the tablets made by classical philologists were unsuccessful, and whatever clue was tried out, the result was negative.
One of the most important and far-reaching theses of the reconstructin of ancient history is in the conclusion that the so-called Dark Ages of the Greek and Anatolian histories are but artifacts of the historians, and never took place. The Mycenaean Age ended in the eighth century and was followed by the Ionic times, with no centuries intervening, the break in culture being but the consequence of natural upheavals of the eighth century and of the subsequent migrations of peoples. Consequently the Ionic culture must show great affinity with the Mycenaean heritage; and therefore I have claimed that the Linear B script would prove to be Greek; but this was not a view that had many supporters.
In 1950 the eminent authority on Homeric Greece, Helen L. Lorimer, in her treatise Homer and the Monuments wrote of this script and of the efforts to read it: “The result is wholly unfavorable to any hope entertained that the language of the inscriptions might be Greek.”
Nevertheless, on the occasion of addressing the Forum of the Graduate College of Princeton University on October 4, 1953, I formulated my expectations:
I expect new evidence from the Minoan Scripts and the so-called Hittite pictographs. Texts in the Minoan (Linear B) script were found years ago on Crete and in Mycenae and in several other places on the Greek mainland. I believe that when the Minoan writings unearthed in Mycenae are deciphered they will be found to be Greek. I also claim that these texts are of a later date than generally believed. “No ‘Dark Age’ of six centuries’ duration intervened in Greece between the Mycenaean Age and the Ionian Age of the seventh century.”
The address was printed as a supplement to Earth in Upheaval, but the last passage in the address was quoted from my Theses for the Reconstruction of Ancient History, published eight years earlier, in 1945.1
When speaking to the Princeton Forum in October 1953 I did not know that a young English architect was by then on the verge of publishing the solution to the riddle of the Linear B script. Only six months passed since my addressing the Graduate Forum, and the April 9, 1954 front page news of The New York Times made known the exciting performance of decoding Linear B by Michael Ventris. The ancient script “that for the last half century and longer has baffled archaeologists and linguists has been decoded finally—by an amateur.” Ventris, an architect and “leisure-time scholar of pre-classic scripts,” served as a cryptographer during World War II. The script that had been tried without avail in a variety of languages—Hittite, Sumerian and Basque among others—was found by Ventris to be Greek.2
Ventris as a boy attended a lecture by Sir Arthur Evans on the Minoan tablets with unread scripts and, like Schliemann who since boyhood was determined to find Troy and the tomb of Agamemnon, was intrigued to decipher the script of which he heard Evans speak. Thus the greatest discoveries in the world of classical studies were made by non-specialists, a merchant and an architect.
But Ventris was not immediately on the right path. In 1949 he had sent out a questionnaire on Linear B to leading authorities on Aegean questions; he privately distributed the replies in 1950 as The Languages of the Minoan and Mycenaean Civilizations (known as the “Mid-Century Report” ). None of his queried correspondents came upon the right trail.
In 1962 Leonard R. Palmer testified as to the stand the Hellenic scholars and Ventris himself had taken prior to the achievement; in his book Mycenaeans and Minoans, Palmer wrote: “Evans ventured no guess at the possible affinities of the Minoan language. That it was Greek never entered his head.” Also Blegen, who was the first to find the tablets on Greek soil, “was ‘almost certain’ that the language of his tablets was ‘Minoan’ . . . Nor did the possibility that the Linear B tablets concealed the Greek language occur to Michael Ventris.” He “guessed that the language was related to Etruscan . . . This wrong diagnosis was maintained by Ventris right up to the final stages of his decipherment.” “It figures in the so-called ‘Mid-Century Report,’ which records what could be deduced by the most eminent living authorities from the archaeological and other evidence available at the time preceding the decipherment of the script. The remarkable fact stands out that not one of the scholars concerned suggested that the language could be Greek.”
But a few years more and Ventris found the true solution. Even then loud voices of skepticism and opposition made themselves heard.3
But the method being perfected disclosed more and more Greek words and names which could not result from a mistaken decipherment. The entire field of early Greek civilization experienced the greatest shock since the discovery of Troy. To the even greater surprise of the scholarly world the names of the deities of the Greek pantheon, supposedly “created” by Homer and Hesiod, were found on the deciphered Linear B tablets.
The reading of these tablets in the Greek language raised the question: How could a literate people in the fourteenth century become illiterate for almost five centuries, to regain literacy in the eighth century? Thus the problem already answered in Ages in Chaos was brought into relief, and a heretical idea crept into the minds of a few scholars: is there some mistake in the accepted timetable? In the last century a Dark Age of five centuries’ duration between the Mycenaean and the Ionian ages was forced upon the scholars of the Greek past by students of Egyptology, and in three quarters of a century this notion, first bitterly opposed, became as bitterly defended by the new generation of classical scholars, only to be confronted with the riddle of the Mycenaean tablets written in Greek more than five hundred years before the oldest known Greek inscription in alphabetic characters adapted from the Hebrew-Phoenician script.Shenimi im:kesaj i thone te pranosh nje kundershtim llogjik te nji shkalle te jashtezakonshme.
Ventris died young, in an auto accident, soon after his triumph. One of the most tantalizing riddles of classical archaeology was solved, but not without creating some puzzling situations.
Shenimi im:Ai nuk eshte zberthyer aspak.Zberthimet e Ventris nuk qendrojne.Ata jane produkt i presionit te opinionit shkencor anglez.Opinioni shkencor anglez krijoi me ane te Ventris lidhjen e kerkuar dhe e beri zyrtare pa zbatuar me te voglin kriter shkencor.
Ato dy shkrime nuk lidhen me njeri tjetrin.Alfabeti fenikas tregon zhvillimin ngrites ne nje zone tjeter te Botes dhe eshte me i ri,ndersa ai Mikenas tregon nje faze te zhvillimit te alfabetit Vinka,rjedhoje ne vendin e origjines te alfabetit,vendit te banuar deri ne shekullin e 6-te pas krishtit vetem nga Shqiptaret.Karakteret jane shume te ndryshem.
Ne shkrimin Mikenas kemi nje zhvillim krijues i cili synon ne krijimin e shenjave-germa te reja dhe tendencen e krijimit te ideogermave duke u nisuar nga forma gjeometrike e objektit.Ne shkrimin mikenas po ndodhte ajo qe nuk ndodhi kurre me shkrimin Kinez.Keta krijues ishin duke krijuar fjale-ide te reja dy elemnteshe ne te cilat synonin krijimin e Ideokonceptit te konvertuar ne ne nje simbol-shkronje te vetme.Shkrimi mikenas tregon edhe nje dicka tjeter.Kishte renie cilesore,ose e thene ndryshe nje harrese ne lidhje me simbolet shume me te vjetra Vinka.Duket si nje fare kthimi primitiv pas.Duhet te kishte ndodhur dicka ne hapesiren kohore midis shkrimeve.Duhet te kishte ndodhur nje katastrofe me permasa te medha qe ka keputur ne mes kete proces.
The Homeric Question, instead of being solved, grew now to astonishing, one would like to say, Homeric, proportions.
Lexo genjeshtren e pare te 60 vjeteve te fundit.
Linear B Deciphered
For a long time the Linear B script did not disclose its secret to those who worked on its solution. Nor was the decipherment facilitated by the manner in which Sir Arthur Evans published the texts of the Linear B tablets—not all at once, but seriatim. When Blegen discovered the Linear B tablets on the Greek mainland in the ruins of the ancient palace in Pylos, they were ascribed to the Heroic Age of Troy, the final stage of the Mycenaean Age that ended abruptly.
Yet even after the Linear B tablets were found on the mainland of Greece their language was not thought to be Greek. The reason for that was, first of all, in the accepted chronological scale: the Ionian age, according to conventional chronology, was separated from the Mycenaean Age by five hundred years. Greek writing appears for the first time in the eighth century. Efforts to read the tablets made by classical philologists were unsuccessful, and whatever clue was tried out, the result was negative.
One of the most important and far-reaching theses of the reconstructin of ancient history is in the conclusion that the so-called Dark Ages of the Greek and Anatolian histories are but artifacts of the historians, and never took place. The Mycenaean Age ended in the eighth century and was followed by the Ionic times, with no centuries intervening, the break in culture being but the consequence of natural upheavals of the eighth century and of the subsequent migrations of peoples. Consequently the Ionic culture must show great affinity with the Mycenaean heritage; and therefore I have claimed that the Linear B script would prove to be Greek; but this was not a view that had many supporters.
In 1950 the eminent authority on Homeric Greece, Helen L. Lorimer, in her treatise Homer and the Monuments wrote of this script and of the efforts to read it: “The result is wholly unfavorable to any hope entertained that the language of the inscriptions might be Greek.”
Nevertheless, on the occasion of addressing the Forum of the Graduate College of Princeton University on October 4, 1953, I formulated my expectations:
I expect new evidence from the Minoan Scripts and the so-called Hittite pictographs. Texts in the Minoan (Linear B) script were found years ago on Crete and in Mycenae and in several other places on the Greek mainland. I believe that when the Minoan writings unearthed in Mycenae are deciphered they will be found to be Greek. I also claim that these texts are of a later date than generally believed. “No ‘Dark Age’ of six centuries’ duration intervened in Greece between the Mycenaean Age and the Ionian Age of the seventh century.”
The address was printed as a supplement to Earth in Upheaval, but the last passage in the address was quoted from my Theses for the Reconstruction of Ancient History, published eight years earlier, in 1945.1
When speaking to the Princeton Forum in October 1953 I did not know that a young English architect was by then on the verge of publishing the solution to the riddle of the Linear B script. Only six months passed since my addressing the Graduate Forum, and the April 9, 1954 front page news of The New York Times made known the exciting performance of decoding Linear B by Michael Ventris. The ancient script “that for the last half century and longer has baffled archaeologists and linguists has been decoded finally—by an amateur.” Ventris, an architect and “leisure-time scholar of pre-classic scripts,” served as a cryptographer during World War II. The script that had been tried without avail in a variety of languages—Hittite, Sumerian and Basque among others—was found by Ventris to be Greek.2
Ventris as a boy attended a lecture by Sir Arthur Evans on the Minoan tablets with unread scripts and, like Schliemann who since boyhood was determined to find Troy and the tomb of Agamemnon, was intrigued to decipher the script of which he heard Evans speak. Thus the greatest discoveries in the world of classical studies were made by non-specialists, a merchant and an architect.
But Ventris was not immediately on the right path. In 1949 he had sent out a questionnaire on Linear B to leading authorities on Aegean questions; he privately distributed the replies in 1950 as The Languages of the Minoan and Mycenaean Civilizations (known as the “Mid-Century Report” ). None of his queried correspondents came upon the right trail.
In 1962 Leonard R. Palmer testified as to the stand the Hellenic scholars and Ventris himself had taken prior to the achievement; in his book Mycenaeans and Minoans, Palmer wrote: “Evans ventured no guess at the possible affinities of the Minoan language. That it was Greek never entered his head.” Also Blegen, who was the first to find the tablets on Greek soil, “was ‘almost certain’ that the language of his tablets was ‘Minoan’ . . . Nor did the possibility that the Linear B tablets concealed the Greek language occur to Michael Ventris.” He “guessed that the language was related to Etruscan . . . This wrong diagnosis was maintained by Ventris right up to the final stages of his decipherment.” “It figures in the so-called ‘Mid-Century Report,’ which records what could be deduced by the most eminent living authorities from the archaeological and other evidence available at the time preceding the decipherment of the script. The remarkable fact stands out that not one of the scholars concerned suggested that the language could be Greek.”
But a few years more and Ventris found the true solution. Even then loud voices of skepticism and opposition made themselves heard.3
But the method being perfected disclosed more and more Greek words and names which could not result from a mistaken decipherment. The entire field of early Greek civilization experienced the greatest shock since the discovery of Troy. To the even greater surprise of the scholarly world the names of the deities of the Greek pantheon, supposedly “created” by Homer and Hesiod, were found on the deciphered Linear B tablets.
The reading of these tablets in the Greek language raised the question: How could a literate people in the fourteenth century become illiterate for almost five centuries, to regain literacy in the eighth century? Thus the problem already answered in Ages in Chaos was brought into relief, and a heretical idea crept into the minds of a few scholars: is there some mistake in the accepted timetable? In the last century a Dark Age of five centuries’ duration between the Mycenaean and the Ionian ages was forced upon the scholars of the Greek past by students of Egyptology, and in three quarters of a century this notion, first bitterly opposed, became as bitterly defended by the new generation of classical scholars, only to be confronted with the riddle of the Mycenaean tablets written in Greek more than five hundred years before the oldest known Greek inscription in alphabetic characters adapted from the Hebrew-Phoenician script.Shenimi im:kesaj i thone te pranosh nje kundershtim llogjik te nji shkalle te jashtezakonshme.
Ventris died young, in an auto accident, soon after his triumph. One of the most tantalizing riddles of classical archaeology was solved, but not without creating some puzzling situations.
Shenimi im:Ai nuk eshte zberthyer aspak.Zberthimet e Ventris nuk qendrojne.Ata jane produkt i presionit te opinionit shkencor anglez.Opinioni shkencor anglez krijoi me ane te Ventris lidhjen e kerkuar dhe e beri zyrtare pa zbatuar me te voglin kriter shkencor.
Ato dy shkrime nuk lidhen me njeri tjetrin.Alfabeti fenikas tregon zhvillimin ngrites ne nje zone tjeter te Botes dhe eshte me i ri,ndersa ai Mikenas tregon nje faze te zhvillimit te alfabetit Vinka,rjedhoje ne vendin e origjines te alfabetit,vendit te banuar deri ne shekullin e 6-te pas krishtit vetem nga Shqiptaret.Karakteret jane shume te ndryshem.
Ne shkrimin Mikenas kemi nje zhvillim krijues i cili synon ne krijimin e shenjave-germa te reja dhe tendencen e krijimit te ideogermave duke u nisuar nga forma gjeometrike e objektit.Ne shkrimin mikenas po ndodhte ajo qe nuk ndodhi kurre me shkrimin Kinez.Keta krijues ishin duke krijuar fjale-ide te reja dy elemnteshe ne te cilat synonin krijimin e Ideokonceptit te konvertuar ne ne nje simbol-shkronje te vetme.Shkrimi mikenas tregon edhe nje dicka tjeter.Kishte renie cilesore,ose e thene ndryshe nje harrese ne lidhje me simbolet shume me te vjetra Vinka.Duket si nje fare kthimi primitiv pas.Duhet te kishte ndodhur dicka ne hapesiren kohore midis shkrimeve.Duhet te kishte ndodhur nje katastrofe me permasa te medha qe ka keputur ne mes kete proces.
The Homeric Question, instead of being solved, grew now to astonishing, one would like to say, Homeric, proportions.
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Re: Mas, Mat dhe maturia jone dhe gjuha PIE.
Zeus pot te jap disa njesi qe jane me te vjetrat ne gjuhen shqipe:
1.merr-marr-mor
2.Ik
3.mas-mat-mate
4.shko
5.ri(qendrim)
6.ri=i ri
7.re(bie-qendrim+formule mbarimi ndertimor kodik te fjales)
8.re=e re
9.Zi(zenie)
10.zi=e zez(ë)
11.zeza=e zeza
12.be,bo,ba,ber,ban,bi
13.ter,tan=te gjitha
14.ra(bie)=qendrim objekti dhe formul ndertuese fundore.
15.ra= e re ne kuptimin shumes
16.ma=mba
17.an
18.ul
19..............
20.si=syri
21.si,shih=shiko
23.rro
24.kom=lidhje
25.at,ad
26.am,ano,nano
27.bir,bil
28.femia
29.cik
30.gur
31.hona
32.diel
33.ziej
34.piek
35.de=dhè
36.uda=udhe
37.al=fjal
38.do
39.zo=zenie
40.za,zan,zër,zën=zenie(lindje,formim i ri),zë(vocal)
41.pres
42.pri=udheheq
42.pri= i pare
43.afer
44.dit
45.nat(ë)................................
46.re=shikoj
47.ve,vë,ver,vër,ven,vën,van= e vendosur,vendos
48.nofull
49.kok(ë)
50.tok(ë)
51.bot(ë)
52.ço=te cosh dicka
53.ça=te cash dicka,e çar(ë)
54.liz,lezh,lis=lidhje
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1.merr-marr-mor
2.Ik
3.mas-mat-mate
4.shko
5.ri(qendrim)
6.ri=i ri
7.re(bie-qendrim+formule mbarimi ndertimor kodik te fjales)
8.re=e re
9.Zi(zenie)
10.zi=e zez(ë)
11.zeza=e zeza
12.be,bo,ba,ber,ban,bi
13.ter,tan=te gjitha
14.ra(bie)=qendrim objekti dhe formul ndertuese fundore.
15.ra= e re ne kuptimin shumes
16.ma=mba
17.an
18.ul
19..............
20.si=syri
21.si,shih=shiko
23.rro
24.kom=lidhje
25.at,ad
26.am,ano,nano
27.bir,bil
28.femia
29.cik
30.gur
31.hona
32.diel
33.ziej
34.piek
35.de=dhè
36.uda=udhe
37.al=fjal
38.do
39.zo=zenie
40.za,zan,zër,zën=zenie(lindje,formim i ri),zë(vocal)
41.pres
42.pri=udheheq
42.pri= i pare
43.afer
44.dit
45.nat(ë)................................
46.re=shikoj
47.ve,vë,ver,vër,ven,vën,van= e vendosur,vendos
48.nofull
49.kok(ë)
50.tok(ë)
51.bot(ë)
52.ço=te cosh dicka
53.ça=te cash dicka,e çar(ë)
54.liz,lezh,lis=lidhje
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Re: Mas, Mat dhe maturia jone dhe gjuha PIE.
Deshifrimi i Linear B eshte deklarata me e paturpshme e bere ne historine e gjuhesise. Une jo vetem qe dyshoj qe Michael Ventris ta kete zberthyer ate, por dhe interpretimi i saj si greqisht, eshte nje paturpesi e madhe. Bindja ime se Ventris nuk e ka zberthyer u shtuar kur lexova ne bibloteke librin:
The Story of Decipherment: From Egyptian Hieroglyphs to Maya Script: From Egyptian Hieroglyphics to Maya Script nga Maurice Pope
i cili me bindi plotesisht qe metodologjia e ndjekur prej Ventris per te deshifruar simbolet ishte se paku e gabuar. Nje kohe pata dyshimin qe ai kishte marre "detyren" ta shpallte Linear B si grek. Kete bindje ma shtoi vdekja e tij misterioze, dhe per me teper faktin se doren e dyte, 3 dhe 4 kesaj teze ja dha Chadwick nje student i ngelur ne klase ne kolegj. Kjo teze u kundershtua fort nga profesori i Chadwick dhe nga ajka e linguistave boteror, te cilit e shpallen metodologjine e Ventris empirike dhe te panjetrajtshme, duke e luftuar fort ate.
Dhe sikur metoda e tij te ishte e sakte, fjalet afrojne me shume me shqip sesa greqisht, per kete une kam bere nje tabele te vogel:
Te mendosh qe per te shkuar te ""greqishtja"" duhet te eleminosh, ndryshosh ose shtosh tinguj. Pervec kesaj ndarja e fjaleve eshte bere selektive, e atille qe te ngjasoj me fjale te greqishtes, pa folur qe greqishtja vete 3/4 e rrenjeve te fjaleve i ka shqip.
The Story of Decipherment: From Egyptian Hieroglyphs to Maya Script: From Egyptian Hieroglyphics to Maya Script nga Maurice Pope
i cili me bindi plotesisht qe metodologjia e ndjekur prej Ventris per te deshifruar simbolet ishte se paku e gabuar. Nje kohe pata dyshimin qe ai kishte marre "detyren" ta shpallte Linear B si grek. Kete bindje ma shtoi vdekja e tij misterioze, dhe per me teper faktin se doren e dyte, 3 dhe 4 kesaj teze ja dha Chadwick nje student i ngelur ne klase ne kolegj. Kjo teze u kundershtua fort nga profesori i Chadwick dhe nga ajka e linguistave boteror, te cilit e shpallen metodologjine e Ventris empirike dhe te panjetrajtshme, duke e luftuar fort ate.
Dhe sikur metoda e tij te ishte e sakte, fjalet afrojne me shume me shqip sesa greqisht, per kete une kam bere nje tabele te vogel:
Te mendosh qe per te shkuar te ""greqishtja"" duhet te eleminosh, ndryshosh ose shtosh tinguj. Pervec kesaj ndarja e fjaleve eshte bere selektive, e atille qe te ngjasoj me fjale te greqishtes, pa folur qe greqishtja vete 3/4 e rrenjeve te fjaleve i ka shqip.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
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Re: Mas, Mat dhe maturia jone dhe gjuha PIE.
Le te marrim nje cfaredo prej tyre dhe ta shikojme:
Perse duhet qe a-ko-ro te jete fjala ""greke"" agri-os?( qe do te thote i egri)
Nese do te ishte vertete ashtu ku eshte prapashtesa greke os?
Ku ndryshon agri nga egri?( a-geg dhe e,ë-tosk)
Pse nuk eshte folja shqipe korr ne pesoren e saj a kor?
Pse nuk mund te jete fjala shqip gur?
Pse nuk mund te jete fjala shqip agjeroj?
Pse humbasin zanoret gjate "kalimit" ne greqisht pavaresisht cfare jane ato?
Pse gjysmat e fjaleve ne pamundesi te shpjegohen me fjalen koresponduese greke jane quajtur emra njerezish ose vendesh(psh davo-emer fshati !!!!!)?
Pse ka shpjegime shume qesharake si:with not weight of copper, ose the man who cards the wool, ose workers of ceramics etj etj qe jane rreth 25 % te te gjithe ""perkthimeve""?
Me nje te rene te lapsit shtohen, hiqen tinguj, interpretohen sipas deshires vetem e vetem qe ato te dalin greke, pa folur per ato qe jane pranuar si te sakta:
Perse duhet qe a-ko-ro te jete fjala ""greke"" agri-os?( qe do te thote i egri)
Nese do te ishte vertete ashtu ku eshte prapashtesa greke os?
Ku ndryshon agri nga egri?( a-geg dhe e,ë-tosk)
Pse nuk eshte folja shqipe korr ne pesoren e saj a kor?
Pse nuk mund te jete fjala shqip gur?
Pse nuk mund te jete fjala shqip agjeroj?
Pse humbasin zanoret gjate "kalimit" ne greqisht pavaresisht cfare jane ato?
Pse gjysmat e fjaleve ne pamundesi te shpjegohen me fjalen koresponduese greke jane quajtur emra njerezish ose vendesh(psh davo-emer fshati !!!!!)?
Pse ka shpjegime shume qesharake si:with not weight of copper, ose the man who cards the wool, ose workers of ceramics etj etj qe jane rreth 25 % te te gjithe ""perkthimeve""?
Me nje te rene te lapsit shtohen, hiqen tinguj, interpretohen sipas deshires vetem e vetem qe ato te dalin greke, pa folur per ato qe jane pranuar si te sakta:
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Re: Mas, Mat dhe maturia jone dhe gjuha PIE.
Ajo qe e ben dhe me te dyshimte kete shpjegim eshte se dhe prapashtesa us eshte shqip psh:
hekur(pun)us
baker(pun)us
shtroj-shtrus(popullore)-shtrues(letrare)
lexoj-lexus-lexues
etj.
Cdo element e ben ate shqiptare, cfare i ka shtyre keta ta shpallin greke?
hekur(pun)us
baker(pun)us
shtroj-shtrus(popullore)-shtrues(letrare)
lexoj-lexus-lexues
etj.
Cdo element e ben ate shqiptare, cfare i ka shtyre keta ta shpallin greke?
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per fjalen "mathi-mathitis" do doja te shtoja se "diturin e jep i mathi-madhi=Zoti"...na mas mathi= te na mesoj.mas e mathe=na mesoj.
por ne se do donimin ti futeshim me thelle kesaj rruge ,ateher na duhet patjeter te njohim greqishten e vjeter.
ne greqishten e vjeter kemi qindra fjale shqipe te cilat po ti studjojm me hollesi do vrejm se shqipja eshte mema e gjhes se lashte greke.Sqaroj se se greqishtja eshte nje gjuhe letrare qe pasurohet dita me diten me fjale etmologe greke,ndaj edhe ndryshon edhe riperterihet duke humbur rrenjet e saja shqipe.
Kurt Latte ka rindertuar fjalorin e Hesichit.Ky fjalore na tregon "mbetjet origjinale te fjalve te vjetra" .Mbi mbetjet origjinale te fjaleve te vjetra jane bazuar te gjithe ata qe vertetojn lidhjen pellazgo-yllire -shqiptare.Por turperisht gjuhetaret qe vune bazen e filologjis shqiptare-Demetrio Camarda edhe Panajoti Kupitori-ruhen me mjeshteri large nga dija shqiptare.Foleja e grenxave e qendren e saj tek truri i kombit=akademiket e tij.Por kur keta akademik mohojn lidhjen pellazgo-yllire edhe perkrahin G Meyer,eshte njesoj sikur te jene akademik maqedonas qe po shkruajn historin e shqiptarve.
Fjalet e medha kerkojn edhe fakte,ndryshe quhen pordhe me rigon.Ja faktet.
Ne greqishten e vjeter eshte perdorur fjala "ietta" per te shprehur keshtu fjalen "babai"
i etta=eta=babai.
i erdhi i eti i vete=i erdhi i jati i vete.
por ne se do donimin ti futeshim me thelle kesaj rruge ,ateher na duhet patjeter te njohim greqishten e vjeter.
ne greqishten e vjeter kemi qindra fjale shqipe te cilat po ti studjojm me hollesi do vrejm se shqipja eshte mema e gjhes se lashte greke.Sqaroj se se greqishtja eshte nje gjuhe letrare qe pasurohet dita me diten me fjale etmologe greke,ndaj edhe ndryshon edhe riperterihet duke humbur rrenjet e saja shqipe.
Kurt Latte ka rindertuar fjalorin e Hesichit.Ky fjalore na tregon "mbetjet origjinale te fjalve te vjetra" .Mbi mbetjet origjinale te fjaleve te vjetra jane bazuar te gjithe ata qe vertetojn lidhjen pellazgo-yllire -shqiptare.Por turperisht gjuhetaret qe vune bazen e filologjis shqiptare-Demetrio Camarda edhe Panajoti Kupitori-ruhen me mjeshteri large nga dija shqiptare.Foleja e grenxave e qendren e saj tek truri i kombit=akademiket e tij.Por kur keta akademik mohojn lidhjen pellazgo-yllire edhe perkrahin G Meyer,eshte njesoj sikur te jene akademik maqedonas qe po shkruajn historin e shqiptarve.
Fjalet e medha kerkojn edhe fakte,ndryshe quhen pordhe me rigon.Ja faktet.
Ne greqishten e vjeter eshte perdorur fjala "ietta" per te shprehur keshtu fjalen "babai"
i etta=eta=babai.
i erdhi i eti i vete=i erdhi i jati i vete.
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Po keshtu edhe fjala"niki" qe sote perdoret si fjala "fitore" ne greqisht.
Vete etimologjia e fjales tregon gjuhen shqipe=niq-ndiq-nik-niki.
Thomopulo e lidhe fjalen me "ndoka=ndjek=deboj" ,edhe e lidhe ate me fjalen "greke" "dhioko-doko"=deboj
Vete etimologjia e fjales tregon gjuhen shqipe=niq-ndiq-nik-niki.
Thomopulo e lidhe fjalen me "ndoka=ndjek=deboj" ,edhe e lidhe ate me fjalen "greke" "dhioko-doko"=deboj
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Re: Mas, Mat dhe maturia jone dhe gjuha PIE.
Per ta perforcuar kete le te sjellim nje dokument, ku ajo perdoret dhe zyrtarisht:alfeko sukaraku wrote:
.Ja faktet.
Ne greqishten e vjeter eshte perdorur fjala "ietta" per te shprehur keshtu fjalen "babai"
i etta=eta=babai.
i erdhi i eti i vete=i erdhi i jati i vete.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-i-pt-_5cQZeus10 wrote: PS. Mund te kete gabime gramatikore dhe nje gjuhe jo te zgjedhur, por mendoj se artikulli eshte i gatshem per tu perkthyer dhe hedhur atje ku ndiqet me shume, ne youtube.
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Flm per videon vlla po heren tjter mundohu ta besh ne Anglisht,,se besoj do jet e mire per te huajt te ken nje ide..
fjal Mat,,ka qen dhe ne Egypt dhe MAT ka qen Gruaja e THOTH.. maat ,,ta matesh nga fjal mat marim dhe fjalen Matematik qe e perdorim sot..maat ka dhe nje kuptim tjter.. Ma-Nene dhe At-Baba Maat..
dhe se fundi ne Egypt fjal Maat ka qen ajo qe peshont ,,,ka qen Mbreteresha qe peshonte te miren nga e keqja....
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Tani Zeus10-kaq desha une sa te futa ne valle...jepu pergjigje se keta duan me teper pune nga ne ore....hahahahaha...nejse se shaka bej,por mendoj se jemi ne udhe te mbare dhe me mundesite e gjithesecilit prej nesh te bejme me teper ne kete drejtim.Respekte.
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Po Arta e kam. Te me falni per mospjesemarrjen, por kam disa angazhime te rendesishme.Arta wrote: Zeus e ke kete ne format Word se po e perkthej, dhe me duhet ta shkruaj dy here.
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Pergezime.
Kesaj i thone pune me taban.(taban nuk eshte fjale e huaj,eshte shqipe).Taban behet "baz(e)">Kodi i eshte i njejte.Ndryshojne vetem percaktuesit.
Kesaj i thone pune me taban.(taban nuk eshte fjale e huaj,eshte shqipe).Taban behet "baz(e)">Kodi i eshte i njejte.Ndryshojne vetem percaktuesit.
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Kreva korrigjimet e nevojshme, megjithese nuk eshte shume mire sepse punova mbi perkthimin e meparshem, mendoj se eshte pranueshem. Por gjithsesi do te kerkoja ndihmen e gjithkujt per permiresime te metejshme.
Perkthimi:
Measurement of the LANGUAGE PIE
It has been a long time, that intellectuals, scholars and Western linguists, unable to discover the real roots of the languages have come up with the theory of Proto-Indo-European language, according to them, a language already disappeared, by which always according to them, lay out all European languages, giving the same credit to the natural offspring and vehicular ones. The following example is one of the many, that this would likely be not true, empirical roots of PIE language are a "scientific" fairytale , which adds more mystery in the whole account. The truth is that all words of written/spoken, are graphical /lexical transformation product of the primitive words which carry a particular concept in themselves, and there is nowhere common PIE roots, which linguists has filled their books with, defocusing our attention from the simple truth.
Already proven by modern linguistics, in basis of primitive words, where it points-out the verbs, is a system c-v-c (consonant-vowel-consonant) sounds. In Albanian language almost all the verbs obey this rule, eg: 'catch, step, get, increase, see, plays, etc.(kap, hap, marr, rris, shoh, loz) or a even a simpler system eat, drink, do, stay etc(ha, pi, bej, rri), thus a combination of a consonant with a vowel. One of the most ancient primitive words of Albanian language that has been created when the language has innate itself, is the verb “mas” (measure), which is pronounced so often indiscriminate as “mat”, especially when used for lexical forms of the past, participle/infinitive, names or surnames. What is measuring(matja) itself? Measurement is a action performed by human to LEARN about the object/phenomenon, which we evaluate in the vast majority of cases of its dimensions, mass and all other physical measurable characteristics , that make us able to distinguish it from other objects/phenomenas. Measurement is done also for people, ex. when we meet an unknown person, except measurement (evaluation) of the stature of his appearance, we also learn from him his intellectual level, while measuring(estimating) it. So measurement(matja) is to learn(mesuar). It is the latter that has been introduced ready from Albanian as a graphical concept to provide the English term of measurement/mass(matjes/mases):
So the English word, does not derive from a common third source (PIE language) together with Albanian one, but it is itself participle of Albanian verb “learn, learned” (mesoj->mesuar->mesur (Gheg). But this has not happened only to English, it is quite evident even in "another" language , ancient Greek, the word unlearned(pamesuar in blue):
which of course has its lexical appearance in a simpler form, that of Gheg dialect unlearned (i pamesu) where:
pamesu = pa + mesu
Where à of the "Greek" marked with diacritical mark above has the same ‘negative’ value as the Albanian pa(without) and most likely they are the same and belong to the same language but in different time. That's how true is this, that the other "Greek" expression is nothing but Albanian word unmeasured(pamatës) which has a small deviation in meaning, but expresses the same primitive concept. So "Greek," does not use the verb measure(mas) to express estimation/learning, but measures, while Albanian uses it both [as verb] (mas & mat). It is interesting that when Albanian language has built the other verb learn (mesoj (masoj) has used mass(mas) while "Greek" has used “mat” from its Greek vocabulary (read: Albanian):
The verb MAT (or MAS) of Albanian has formed innumerable lexical forms not only in Albanian itself but in other "foreign” languages too, which are only forgotten spoken Albanian idioms customized to write the language, and later separated as a distinct new language:
So we do not have to do with a secluded common source the PIE language(which according to the linguists, is obsolete), but what we see is Albanian lexical forms that certainly appear inflected, always following the laws of its morphological transformation, and obtained ready-made of "foreign languages”, or graphically written somewhat differently from what we write our language today. Of course the mathematics expression indicates a continuous action of measurement and is not any particular expression of the "Greek":
It only shows that the word in blue (math) is a lexical form of the primitive verb measure(mat, with red) by integrating sound “h” in the morphology of the word, a sound so dear to Old "Greeks" and Albanians, or better to say only, Albanians.
"Others" Europeans, the English seem to have properly used the Albanian language and its expressions to build their vocabulary, whose words being written with Latin letters as well as Albanian , do not create confusion as "Greek" does on the graphical aspect. For example to use pjekuri(mature) the English uses the word mature:
But perhaps few Albanians who make the proper connections, that mature(te pjekur) we do call experienced adults, a virtue that comes together over the ages. It is the adults cautious, careful, and thus “measured” (te matur), or mature as we use in English :
So to be mature, to become the “measured”, the time should elapse , or ORA(time) must come, you're not mature on the first place. Therefore, the ancient ""Greeks “" called exactly this expression ORA :
Because such they were not, and for this has come ORA (time) to say the truth, the time made us cautious(MATUR), to discover out our divine language history and to take credit for our past..
Perkthimi:
Measurement of the LANGUAGE PIE
It has been a long time, that intellectuals, scholars and Western linguists, unable to discover the real roots of the languages have come up with the theory of Proto-Indo-European language, according to them, a language already disappeared, by which always according to them, lay out all European languages, giving the same credit to the natural offspring and vehicular ones. The following example is one of the many, that this would likely be not true, empirical roots of PIE language are a "scientific" fairytale , which adds more mystery in the whole account. The truth is that all words of written/spoken, are graphical /lexical transformation product of the primitive words which carry a particular concept in themselves, and there is nowhere common PIE roots, which linguists has filled their books with, defocusing our attention from the simple truth.
Already proven by modern linguistics, in basis of primitive words, where it points-out the verbs, is a system c-v-c (consonant-vowel-consonant) sounds. In Albanian language almost all the verbs obey this rule, eg: 'catch, step, get, increase, see, plays, etc.(kap, hap, marr, rris, shoh, loz) or a even a simpler system eat, drink, do, stay etc(ha, pi, bej, rri), thus a combination of a consonant with a vowel. One of the most ancient primitive words of Albanian language that has been created when the language has innate itself, is the verb “mas” (measure), which is pronounced so often indiscriminate as “mat”, especially when used for lexical forms of the past, participle/infinitive, names or surnames. What is measuring(matja) itself? Measurement is a action performed by human to LEARN about the object/phenomenon, which we evaluate in the vast majority of cases of its dimensions, mass and all other physical measurable characteristics , that make us able to distinguish it from other objects/phenomenas. Measurement is done also for people, ex. when we meet an unknown person, except measurement (evaluation) of the stature of his appearance, we also learn from him his intellectual level, while measuring(estimating) it. So measurement(matja) is to learn(mesuar). It is the latter that has been introduced ready from Albanian as a graphical concept to provide the English term of measurement/mass(matjes/mases):
pamesu = pa + mesu
The verb MAT (or MAS) of Albanian has formed innumerable lexical forms not only in Albanian itself but in other "foreign” languages too, which are only forgotten spoken Albanian idioms customized to write the language, and later separated as a distinct new language:
"Others" Europeans, the English seem to have properly used the Albanian language and its expressions to build their vocabulary, whose words being written with Latin letters as well as Albanian , do not create confusion as "Greek" does on the graphical aspect. For example to use pjekuri(mature) the English uses the word mature:
Because such they were not, and for this has come ORA (time) to say the truth, the time made us cautious(MATUR), to discover out our divine language history and to take credit for our past..
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Re: Mas, Mat dhe maturia jone dhe gjuha PIE.
Une po merrem neser me videon atehere,ne qofte se nuk do kete ndryshime.
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Po dhe falemnderit.Mallakastrioti wrote:Une po merrem neser me videon atehere,ne qofte se nuk do kete ndryshime.
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