"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto ▬ Skanderbeg, October 31 1460

EPIRI - PERKATESIA E TIJ SHQIPTARE

Këtu mund të flisni mbi historinë tonë duke sjellë fakte historike për ndriçimin e asaj pjese të historisë mbi të cilen ka rënë harresa e kohës dhe e njerëzve.
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Etolet !!!! ishin keta Grek apo jo !!!!
Keta ndodheshin poshte Epirit ose ne kufi me Fiset Epirote

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Simbas Polybius... Gjenerali Romak i quan Aitolet(Etolet) si fise qe nuk jane greke..


Polybius (book XVIII sect 5) Plb. 18.5.8

What is this Greece, pray, from which ye bid me depart? How do you define it? Why,
most of the Aetolians themselves are not Greeks; for neither the Agrai, nor the Apodoti,
nor the Amphilochi are counted as Greek. Do you then give up those tribes to me?"


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Apodotoi

The Apodoti (Apodotoi, Thuc. iii. 94; Apodotoi, Pol. xvii. 5) inhabited the mountains above Naupactus,
on the borders of Locris. They are said by Polybius not to have been Hellenes. (Comp. Liv. xxxii. 34.)
North of these dwelt the Ophionenses or Ophienses (Ophioneis, Thuc. l. c.; Ophieis, Strab. pp. 451,465),
and to them belonged the smaller tribes of the Bomienses.


Agraei

The Agraei, who inhabited the north-west corner of Aetolia, bordering upon Ambracia, were not a division of the
Aetolian nation, but a separate people, governed at the time of the Peloponnesian war by a king of their own,
and only united to Aetolia at a later period. The Aperanti, who lived in the same district, appear to have been
a subdivision of the Agraei. Pliny (iv. 3) mentions various other peoples as belonging to Aetolia, such as the
Athamanes, Tymphaei, Dolopes, &c.; but this statement is only true of the later period of the Aetolian League,
when the Aetolians had extended their dominion over most of the neighbouring tribes of Epirus and Thessaly.


Ja te shikojme edhe nje Monedhe nga Etolia

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Kësula e këtij etoli eshte padyshim nje kausia e ngjashme me ate te ilireve dhe sidomos e daorseve (sic edhe i ka dokumentuar me plot shembuj Socio). Sipas K.O.Mullerit, kausia ka qene e perdorur prej popujve verior te Hellades, duke perfshire Epirin, Thesaline, vecanarisht Maqedonine dhe Ilirine e Siperme (Daorsine). Eshte nje kesule qe asnjehere nuk depertoi ne 'Greece proper'...madje edhe Kalashet (midis Afganistanit dhe Pakistanit) te cilet me gjase jane pasardhes te ushtareve ilir te Lekes, mbajne sot e kesaj dite nje variacion te kausise.
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Peoples Of All Nations: Their Life Today And Story Of Their Past (in 14 Volumes)
By J.A. Hammerton


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Arber nese mundesh postoje komplet prej faqes 47 deri ne 64 sepse eshte nje kapitull i plote vetem per shqiptaret!
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Arbëri wrote:Peoples Of All Nations: Their Life Today And Story Of Their Past (in 14 Volumes)
By J.A. Hammerton


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the Epirotes and Illyrians might at an earlier time have been, what they have been in all historic periods, a people having little regard for their own language, except as a household language, not cultivating it as a literary language, and always ready to accept some foreign language as a medium of commumcation. The mere acceptance of such a condition is unfavourable to the development of a language in what are cousidered its higher attributes. Such is the case with the Koords, who now employ the Persian, as perhaps the Kardukhi did before them ; such is the case with the natives of the Caucasus.

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"Vocabolario italiano-epirotico con tavola sinottica"
Autor-Francesco Rossi (of Montalto Ligure.)


Edhe pse ndoshta ka te bej me teper me Gjuhen shqipe,interesant eshte fakti si e ka titulluar librin autori.Me çfare na paraqet net. Francesco Rossi ka qene gjuhetar i shek 19.

Ne shqip titulli ben."Fjalor italisht-epirot (shqip) me permbledhje"


Po vendos linkun e librit,por ju siguroj qe ka shprehje dhe fjale qe duhet te ndalemi e ti shohim e studiojme me imtesi.Libri eshte publikuar ne vitin 1866,por eshte bazuar mbi nje pune tjeter te Propaganda Fide publikuar te pakten 100-vjet me pare.libri ka 953 faqe,pra eshte me te vertet per tu konsideruar.Lexim te kendshem :)

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Mallakastrioti wrote:"Vocabolario italiano-epirotico con tavola sinottica"
Autor-Francesco Rossi (of Montalto Ligure.)


Edhe pse ndoshta ka te bej me teper me Gjuhen shqipe,interesant eshte fakti si e ka titulluar librin autori.Me çfare na paraqet net. Francesco Rossi ka qene gjuhetar i shek 19.

Ne shqip titulli ben."Fjalor italisht-epirot (shqip) me permbledhje"


Po vendos linkun e librit,por ju siguroj qe ka shprehje dhe fjale qe duhet te ndalemi e ti shohim e studiojme me imtesi.Libri eshte publikuar ne vitin 1866,por eshte bazuar mbi nje pune tjeter te Propaganda Fide publikuar te pakten 100-vjet me pare.libri ka 953 faqe,pra eshte me te vertet per tu konsideruar.Lexim te kendshem :)

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Ja c'gjuhe paska qene 'North-Western Greek :mrgreen: " e Epirit:

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Dekorativ altkolorierte Kupferstichkarte von Janssonius,
aus "Atlas Novus, sive theatrum orbus terrarum."
Amsterdam, 1656 A.D.

Karte von Epirus - Albanien - Griechenland
"Epirus hodie vulgo Albania ..."


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ALBANIA.

Albania was nominally a province of the Turkish empire. Its history i.s diversified, and mixed up with the various fortunes of the surrounding nations. Looked upon as barbarous by the Greeks and Romans, because very slightly explored by them, Albania, better known to those celebrated people as Illyricum, and Epirus, still retains the simplicity of primitive habits, so that it is emphatically called the Scyithia of the Turkish empire. The ancient historians describe the inhabitants of this country as peculiarly fierce and intraclable. The remoteness of its situation, and want of union among the several tribes which inhabited the country of Albania, rendered the valour of its people of little consequence to the general affairs of Greece, and accordingly we find them but slightly mixed up with Grecian politics. Under the conduct of Pyrrhus II., one of the most consummate generals of antiquity, who waged a bloody war with the Romans in Italy, the Albanians, or Epirotes, routed Antigonus, king of Macedonia, and held that country in subjection; but their conquest ended with the deaih of their commander, and they in turn fell under the power of the Macedonians.

The Romans made some settlements in their country, and availed themselves of the many fine harbours to be found along its coast. At their decline, along with other portions of that once mighty empire, Albania fell a prey to Alaric and Ihe Golhs, although some of their descendants afterwards regained possession of the northern district. Sigismund, one of its kings, was celebrated for his alliance with Thcodoric, the victor of Clovis and Odoacer, A. D. 526. Albania now became the prey of the Sclavonian nations, till it was settled within its present limits, ander the Bulgarians, in 870. Аз the Greek empire declined, the Alba

nians again rose to distinction, and at last re-established their independence, in spite of the most strenuous exertions of the Bulgarians, who were masters of all the neighbouring districts of Greece. Forming a fourth division of the army of Nicephorus Basilices, A. D. 1079, they greatly distinguished themselves. During the next century, the period of the crusades, there were several settlements on their coasts by the Sicilians, Franks, and other nations. After the conquest of Constantinople, 1204, Michael Ángelus established an independent government in this district. Albania has cut some figure in the annals of the last forty years, chiefly through the enterprising spirit and politic conduct of Ali Pacha, who raised himself to a degree of power which long kept the Turks, who were nominally his masters, in a state of fear to attack him. After amassing immense treasures, and keeping up independent alliances with the European powers, he was, in 1622, finally cut off by the Turkish officers. The modern name of Albania is Arnaout

The history of the world: comprising a general history, both ..., Volume 2
By Samuel Maunder, p. 395-306

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Cameria dhe popullsia shqiptare Sipas statistikave Greke (1856-1880)

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Harte interesante, gjithsesi...
Trojan po munde postoje edhe burimin nga e ke marre harten ne fjale!
Te falemnderit!
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ALBPelasgian wrote:Harte interesante, gjithsesi...
Trojan po munde postoje edhe burimin nga e ke marre harten ne fjale!
Te falemnderit!
Ketu diku duhet te jete ?... http://lithoksou.net/maparvanites.html
se si duket kolegu yne se ka pare kete pyetje :mrgreen:
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