"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto ▬ Skanderbeg, October 31 1460

JANINA - PRAPAVIJA E SAJ SHQIPTARE

Këtu mund të flisni mbi historinë tonë duke sjellë fakte historike për ndriçimin e asaj pjese të historisë mbi të cilen ka rënë harresa e kohës dhe e njerëzve.

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Pierer's Universal-Lexikon 1857-1865, Article : Janina

Janina, Eyalet in Albania (European Turkey), south of the Eyalet of Rumili, includes a part of Epirus, further Acarnania and Aetolia, is located on the Ionian Sea. Mountain ranges : Agrasa, Dschumerka, Sagori and others. Lakes : Janina (with an island), fed by the Kokytos, emptied by the Acheron. Rivers : Filoti, Arta, Aspre and others. Some agriculture, good pastures (good livestock breeding, especially horses), a lot of timber, game, 400,000 inhabitants, mostly Greeks (Paramiliots, Sagoriots, Filots, Suliots)
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Brockhaus Conversations-Lexikon 1809-1811, Article : Albanien (excerpts)
Albania, called Arnaut by the Turks, a large landscape in European Turkey bordered by Dalmatia, Serbia, Macedonia, Epirus and the Golfo di Venezia, about 30 miles long and 20 miles wide, a populous and fertile country reputed for its wines. It used to be part of the Kingdom of Macedonia, used to include Epirus (which was called Albania inferior) and the island of Corfu. Presently it is under Turkish rule, divided in three Sanjaks, ruled by a pasha, while the minor part of the population is Muslim, he majority Roman Catholic or Greek Christians, and as descendants of the old Illyrians are skilled in water engineering and measuring. The most notable places are Janina, Scutari, Durazzo. The best characteristic of the inhabitants is their courage; therefore the Arnauts (see there) are an excellent class of soldiers.
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Katolikë shqiptar ne Janine?!
In Janina (6000 musulmani, 8500 israeliti, 12000 ortodossi, un migliaio di albanesi cattolici) dopo la dimostrazione musulmana del 24, il 25 altre due degli israeliti ed albanesi.

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Gli Albanesi però considerano Janina come il capoluogo della bassa Albania, e l'Epiro senza Janina, parrebbe a loro un corpo senza testa; inoltre essi temono l'azione lenta dell'Ellenismo; si risvegliano oggi dal sonno e l'avere i Greci

I documenti diplomatici italiani: Serie. 8 gennaio 1861-20 ...

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The Albanians: an ethnic history from prehistoric times to the present By Edwin E. Jacques

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P.S: I lutem antarit 'elikranon' qe cdo postim ne lidhje me Janinen ose perberjen e saj etnike ta bej ketu qe edhe eshte tema adekuate per ceshtjen ne fjale.
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1) "In 1878 Greece begged Europe for a rectification of her northern boundary, but by the same assembly Janina was officially declared as belonging to Albania and so was left to her".

Kishte shtet shqiptar me 1878 dhe nuk e di?
Me 1878 palet ishin Greqia dhe Perandoria Otomane. Nuk kish pale shqiptare atehere. Dhe Janinen nuk ia lane Shqiperise por Perandorise Otomane.

2) Nga librat historike qe kam lexuar di qe Janina rra ne duart e Osmaneve (me 1430 me duket) me marreveshje. Janiotet dorezonin qytetin me kusht qe mos te cenohej popullsia vendase dhe te vazhdonte te qendronte brenda keshtjelles. Turqit u vendosen ne lagjen Kalucani (nga Kalu Cesme xhami) ku kishin edhe komanden e tyre. Kjo marreveshje u respektua nga otomanet gjer me 1612 kur pas kryengritjes se deshtuar te Dhionis Filosofit (Skilosofit sipas Turqve) i debuan Janiotet nga keshtjella.
Keto historira qe ke sjelle ti, nuk e di nga i ke marre.

3) Lidhja Shqiptare e Prizrenit nuk organizoi ndonje qendrese te armatosur ne Jug. Dhe Greqia e asaj kohe llogarite ne Epirin e asaj kohe i kishte me Perandorine Otomane kryesisht dhe pas kesaj me Shqiptaret qe i shfrytezonte kjo perandori per te ruajtur territoret qe kishte uzurpuar.
Me 21 Shkurt 1913, Esat pashe Toptani e dorezoi Janinen tek ushtria greke si funksionar Otoman (ashtu sic ishte dhe Ali pasha) dhe jo si Shqiptar. Bile Ismail Qemali i kishte kerkuar te ngrinte flamurin shqiptar ne keshtjellen e Janines ne menyre qe Shqiptaret te shkonin me pozita me te forta ne negociatat e mevonshme, por ai asnjehere nuk e beri kete dhe shpresonte gjer ne fund ne mbijetesen e Perandorise Otomane ne kete rajon.
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Kishte shtet shqiptar me 1878 dhe nuk e di?
Ky eshte pra absurditeti i vendimeve te Fuqive te Medha, qe krijuan shume heret nje shtet nga hici, me banore qe nuk i korrespondonin emrit qe i vune(te cilin e germuan nga kushedi cmite dhe histori te harruara), dhe mezi lejuan krijimin e nje shteti tjeter(vetem ~100 vjete me vone), me banore me identitet te spikatur, por dhe ate te vogel dhe te copetuar, mes shteteve artificiale te krijuara per interes fetar, me shpresen se nuk do ti rezistonte kohes, per tu bere me vone pre e nje copetimi tjeter, derisa te pushonte fare se egzistuari.
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Pse nuk i hedh nje sy Chronicles of Monemvasia Elikranon ?
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Trojan wrote:Pse nuk i hedh nje sy Chronicles of Monemvasia Elikranon ?
Aha ti s'qenke Trojan ti qenke kale Troje ne forum.
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Po pse qenkam kal Troje ne Forum?
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Tomorr wrote:
Trojan wrote:Pse nuk i hedh nje sy Chronicles of Monemvasia Elikranon ?
Aha ti s'qenke Trojan ti qenke kale Troje ne forum.
Tomorr nuk mendoj se Trojani po perpiqet ti vije ne ndihme Elikranon, nese nenkuptove kete gje. Ai po perpiqet ti thoshte atij, qe banoret e hershem te Peloponezit u fshine prej pushtimeve avaro-sllave.
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Trojan wrote:Pse nuk i hedh nje sy Chronicles of Monemvasia Elikranon ?
Ato kronika kane nje mungese besueshmerie te madhe, sepse pervecse ju mungon autori, historia veshtire se pranon qe avaret shkuan deri ne Peloponez, pervec Prokopit. Pervec kesaj shfaqja e tyre u be ne menyre shume te dyshimte dhe menjehere u "shfaqen" disa variante te tekstit, te "gjetura" njekohosisht, ne disa manastire. Me pak fjale kane shume pak besueshmeri megjithese nese ne ketu do te benim propagande mund ti kishim perdorur fare mire si argument, sepse ato perkojne me tezen e Falmayerit, qe i sheh greket e vjeter te zhdukur pikerisht nga pushtimet barbare.
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Flm Zeus ...

E pra ne Monemvasia Chronicles tregohet qarte qe "greket" u azgjesuan ose u debuan me dhune nga Peloponezi dhe atje ne vend te grekeve
u kolonizuan Sllavet qe qendruan aty 218 vjet kur me pas u be nje lemsh me popullata ortodokse te sjellura nga vende te ndryshme per rikolonizim...
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Nuk e di nese jane postuar me pare ne temen per Epirin, mirepo ia vlen barra qerane te shpalosen keto dokumente te jashtezakonshme qe flasin per shqiptaresine dembabadem te Epirit:

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