EPIRI - PERKATESIA E TIJ SHQIPTARE

[ALBPelasgian]

EPIRJA - MBESA E ILIRIT - FEMIJTE E KADMIT



Ky asht një konkretizim i të dhënave mitologjike që munda t'i mbledh. Afria (vëlla-motër) midis Ilirisë dhe Epirit është mëse evidente. Pres vërejtjet tuaja!

[Zeus10]

Miti i ketij Ekioni eshte keshtu:

When Telephassa died, Cadmus buried her, and after being hospitably received by the Thracians he came to Delphi to inquire about Europa. The god told him not to trouble about Europa, but to be guided by a cow, and to found a city wherevershe should fall down for weariness.1 After receiving such an oracle he journeyed through Phocis; then falling in with a cow among the herds of Pelagon, he followed it behind. And after traversing Boeotia, it sank down where is now the city of Thebes. Wishing to sacrifice the cow to Athena, he sent some of his companions to draw water from the spring of Ares. But a dragon, which some said was the offspring of Ares, guarded the spring and destroyed most of those that were sent. In his indignation Cadmus killed the dragon, and by the advice of Athena sowed its teeth. When they were sown there rose from the ground armed men whom they called Sparti.2 These slew each other, some in a chance brawl, and some in ignorance. But Pherecydes says that when Cadmus saw armed men growing up out of the ground, he flung stonesat them, and they, supposing that they were being pelted by each other, came to blows. However, five of them survived, Echion, Udaeus, Chthonius, Hyperenor, and Pelorus.But Cadmus, to atone for the slaughter, served Ares for an eternal year; and the year was then equivalent to eight years of our reckoning.1
After his servitude Athena procured for him the kingdom, and Zeus gave him to wife Harmonia, daughter of Aphrodite and Ares. And all the gods quitted the sky, and feasting in the Cadmea celebrated the marriage with hymns.2 Cadmus gave her a robe and the necklace wrought by Hephaestus, which some say was given to Cadmus by Hephaestus, but Pherecydes says that it was given by Europa, who had received it from Zeus. And to Cadmus were born daughters, Autonoe, Ino, Semele, Agave, and a son Polydorus.4 Ino was married to Athamas, Autonoe to Aristaeus, and Agave to Echion.

Te gjitha keto mite jane pellazge, por duke qene se te gjitha keto paraqiten si mitologji greke nga filohelenet qe mbollen perallen greke, humbet identiteti i tyre i vertete. Vete Kadmusi eshte shume i vjeter ne legjenda, ai eshte me i vjeter se vete emri Helen.

[ALBPelasgian]

Miti i ketij Ekioni eshte keshtu:

When Telephassa died, Cadmus buried her, and after being hospitably received by the Thracians he came to Delphi to inquire about Europa. The god told him not to trouble about Europa, but to be guided by a cow, and to found a city wherevershe should fall down for weariness.1 After receiving such an oracle he journeyed through Phocis; then falling in with a cow among the herds of Pelagon, he followed it behind. And after traversing Boeotia, it sank down where is now the city of Thebes. Wishing to sacrifice the cow to Athena, he sent some of his companions to draw water from the spring of Ares. But a dragon, which some said was the offspring of Ares, guarded the spring and destroyed most of those that were sent. In his indignation Cadmus killed the dragon, and by the advice of Athena sowed its teeth. When they were sown there rose from the ground armed men whom they called Sparti.2 These slew each other, some in a chance brawl, and some in ignorance. But Pherecydes says that when Cadmus saw armed men growing up out of the ground, he flung stonesat them, and they, supposing that they were being pelted by each other, came to blows. However, five of them survived, Echion, Udaeus, Chthonius, Hyperenor, and Pelorus.But Cadmus, to atone for the slaughter, served Ares for an eternal year; and the year was then equivalent to eight years of our reckoning.1
After his servitude Athena procured for him the kingdom, and Zeus gave him to wife Harmonia, daughter of Aphrodite and Ares. And all the gods quitted the sky, and feasting in the Cadmea celebrated the marriage with hymns.2 Cadmus gave her a robe and the necklace wrought by Hephaestus, which some say was given to Cadmus by Hephaestus, but Pherecydes says that it was given by Europa, who had received it from Zeus. And to Cadmus were born daughters, Autonoe, Ino, Semele, Agave, and a son Polydorus.4 Ino was married to Athamas, Autonoe to Aristaeus, and Agave to Echion.

Te gjitha keto mite jane pellazge, por duke qene se te gjitha keto paraqiten si mitologji greke nga filohelenet qe mbollen perallen greke, humbet identiteti i tyre i vertete. Vete Kadmusi eshte shume i vjeter ne legjenda, ai eshte me i vjeter se vete emri Helen.

Pajtohem! Megjithatë, a do të ishte me vend (sikur në rastin e mësipërm të konkretizuar) përdorimi i pasazheve mitologjike në mbrojtje te Jo-Helenicitetit (të Epirit dhe Maqedonisë)?
Nëse, filohelenët përdorin pasazhe të shkëputura nga mitologjia, për të 'dëshmuar' diçka 'greke', atëherë përse edhe ne mos të përdorim pasazhe të po së njejtës mitologji të lashtë për të dëshmuar diçka Jo-Greke?
Çfarë mendon Zeus?

[Zeus10]

Une mendoj se kombinimi i miteve me arkeologjine eshte nje alkimi e rrezikshme dhe perdoret kryesisht nga ata qe duan te spekulojne me historine, ne rastin tone filohelenet, dhe me pas vete grekerit e rinj, qe ju dhurua nje identitet i rreme, dhe ju duhet atyre tani ta heqin kete valle. Persa na perket neve, duhet te ndajme pjeset mitike nga ato historike, dhe duhet te theksojme se kjo "histori" e lashte eshte nje argument shume i keq per te provuar vazhdimesine etnike ne menyre te katerciperishme.

[alfeko sukaraku]

Une mendoj se kombinimi i miteve me arkeologjine eshte nje alkimi e rrezikshme dhe perdoret kryesisht nga ata qe duan te spekulojne me historine, ne rastin tone filohelenet, dhe me pas vete grekerit e rinj, qe ju dhurua nje identitet i rreme, dhe ju duhet atyre tani ta heqin kete valle. Persa na perket neve, duhet te ndajme pjeset mitike nga ato historike, dhe duhet te theksojme se kjo "histori" e lashte eshte nje argument shume i keq per te provuar vazhdimesine etnike ne menyre te katerciperishme.

e keqia eshte se bota ju beson perrallave mik.

une mendoj se nuk eshte edhe aq i padobishem roli i miteve vecse na duhet te gershetojm nje sere lidhjesh per te arritur tek e verteta

[Zeus10]

Une mendoj se kombinimi i miteve me arkeologjine eshte nje alkimi e rrezikshme dhe perdoret kryesisht nga ata qe duan te spekulojne me historine, ne rastin tone filohelenet, dhe me pas vete grekerit e rinj, qe ju dhurua nje identitet i rreme, dhe ju duhet atyre tani ta heqin kete valle. Persa na perket neve, duhet te ndajme pjeset mitike nga ato historike, dhe duhet te theksojme se kjo "histori" e lashte eshte nje argument shume i keq per te provuar vazhdimesine etnike ne menyre te katerciperishme.

e keqia eshte se bota ju beson perrallave mik.

une mendoj se nuk eshte edhe aq i padobishem roli i miteve vecse na duhet te gershetojm nje sere lidhjesh per te arritur tek e verteta

Nuk thashe qe mitet jane te padobishme, por thashe qe greket dhe filogreket jane me eksperte se ne ne perdorimin e tyre, dhe duke i luftuar me kundermite me shume legjitimojme ato. Per me teper ato i perkasin nje te kaluare te larget dhe te paverifikueshme ndoshta dhe te sajuar, keshtu qe nuk kemi asnje benefit. Megjithate disa lidhje duhet ti bejme, sic jane rasti i deklaratave te Skenderbeut per perkatesine epiroto-maqedonase te albnezeve.

[alfeko sukaraku]

Une mendoj se kombinimi i miteve me arkeologjine eshte nje alkimi e rrezikshme dhe perdoret kryesisht nga ata qe duan te spekulojne me historine, ne rastin tone filohelenet, dhe me pas vete grekerit e rinj, qe ju dhurua nje identitet i rreme, dhe ju duhet atyre tani ta heqin kete valle. Persa na perket neve, duhet te ndajme pjeset mitike nga ato historike, dhe duhet te theksojme se kjo "histori" e lashte eshte nje argument shume i keq per te provuar vazhdimesine etnike ne menyre te katerciperishme.

e keqia eshte se bota ju beson perrallave mik.

une mendoj se nuk eshte edhe aq i padobishem roli i miteve vecse na duhet te gershetojm nje sere lidhjesh per te arritur tek e verteta

Nuk thashe qe mitet jane te padobishme, por thashe qe greket dhe filogreket jane me eksperte se ne ne perdorimin e tyre, dhe duke i luftuar me kundermite me shume legjitimojme ato. Per me teper ato i perkasin nje te kaluare te larget dhe te paverifikueshme ndoshta dhe te sajuar, keshtu qe nuk kemi asnje benefit. Megjithate disa lidhje duhet ti bejme, sic jane rasti i deklaratave te Skenderbeut per perkatesine epiroto-maqedonase te albnezeve.

Zeus

une ju kuptoj forte mire se c doni te thoni,por me duhet te kujtoj se germimet e shlimanit me baze mitin e mbretit Minoa arriten te behen nje vegel shume e forte ne grekezimin e kretes , sepse fill pas zbulimit te knosos "greket" ngriten veshet edhe "vertetuan" vjetersin e tyre duke i hapur rruge "krenaris greke" autoktone.

po keshtu edhe gjergji yne ka perdorur simbolet e lashta te cilat tregojn vazhdimesin e vetme te rrjedhes se autotktonve...ne se nuk do njihnim mitin e Divit mjelem me Leden nuk do ta kuptonim dote te dhenen historike qe mjafte bukur na i ka dokumentuar Dhimiter Pilika.

[ALBPelasgian]

Kaonët - këta Ilirë të vërtetë:

The Chaonians occupied the extreme north-west of the country, in and about the Ceraunian mountains, which is now inhabited by the Cimariots. They were, no doubt, the same as the Chonians in southern Italy, and of Pelasgio origin.

http://books.google.com/books?pg=PA260& ... utput=text

The Chones, on the gulf of Tarentum, are apparently the same people as the Chaones; and although we find no mention of the Thesprotians in Italy, we have there a town Pandosia, and a river Acheron, as in Epirus. There are good reasons for supposing that the Italian Oenotrians, to whom the Chonians belonged, were of the same race as the Epirots.

[ALBPelasgian]

Zeus, a mund të përdoret ky argument kundër propagandës Greke? Ky pasazh i Herodotit nuk i numëron për Greke gjithë ata në veri të lumit Akeron për shkak se asnjëri nuk muarën pjesë në luftërat kundër-persiane (kurse gabimisht e lë Thesprotinë në sferën 'greke') ndërkaq, prej krejt popujve (fiseve) të Epirit vetëm njerëzit e Krotonit pretendonin preardhje akeje. A do të mund ta përdornim këtë si provë?


47. These all who have been named dwelt inside the land of the Thesprotians and the river Acheron; for the Thesprotians border upon the land of the Amprakiots and Leucadians, and these were they who came from the greatest distance to serve: but of those who dwell outside these limits the men of Croton were the only people who came to the assistance of Hellas in her danger; and these sent one ship, of whom the commander was Phaÿlos, a man who had three times won victories at the Pythian games. Now the men of Croton are by descent Achaians.

47. [1] οὗτοι μὲν ἅπαντες ἐντὸς οἰκημένοι Θεσπρωτῶν καὶ Ἀχέροντος ποταμοῦ ἐστρατεύοντο· Θεσπρωτοὶ γὰρ εἰσὶ ὁμουρέοντες Ἀμπρακιώτῃσι καὶ Λευκαδίοισι, οἳ ἐξ ἐσχατέων χωρέων ἐστρατεύοντο. τῶν δὲ ἐκτὸς τούτων οἰκημένων Κροτωνιῆται μοῦνοι ἦσαν οἳ ἐβοήθησαν τῇ Ἑλλάδι κινδυνευούσῃ μιῇ νηί, τῆς ἦρχε ἀνὴρ τρὶς πυθιονίκης Φάυλλος· Κροτωνιῆται δὲ γένος εἰσὶ Ἀχαιοί.

[Zeus10]

Zeus, a mund të përdoret ky argument kundër propagandës Greke? Ky pasazh i Herodotit nuk i numëron për Greke gjithë ata në veri të lumit Akeron për shkak se asnjëri nuk muarën pjesë në luftërat kundër-persiane (kurse gabimisht e lë Thesprotinë në sferën 'greke') ndërkaq, prej krejt popujve (fiseve) të Epirit vetëm njerëzit e Krotonit pretendonin preardhje akeje. A do të mund ta përdornim këtë si provë?


47. These all who have been named dwelt inside the land of the Thesprotians and the river Acheron; for the Thesprotians border upon the land of the Amprakiots and Leucadians, and these were they who came from the greatest distance to serve: but of those who dwell outside these limits the men of Croton were the only people who came to the assistance of Hellas in her danger; and these sent one ship, of whom the commander was Phaÿlos, a man who had three times won victories at the Pythian games. Now the men of Croton are by descent Achaians.

47. [1] οὗτοι μὲν ἅπαντες ἐντὸς οἰκημένοι Θεσπρωτῶν καὶ Ἀχέροντος ποταμοῦ ἐστρατεύοντο· Θεσπρωτοὶ γὰρ εἰσὶ ὁμουρέοντες Ἀμπρακιώτῃσι καὶ Λευκαδίοισι, οἳ ἐξ ἐσχατέων χωρέων ἐστρατεύοντο. τῶν δὲ ἐκτὸς τούτων οἰκημένων Κροτωνιῆται μοῦνοι ἦσαν οἳ ἐβοήθησαν τῇ Ἑλλάδι κινδυνευούσῃ μιῇ νηί, τῆς ἦρχε ἀνὴρ τρὶς πυθιονίκης Φάυλλος· Κροτωνιῆται δὲ γένος εἰσὶ Ἀχαιοί.

Mendoj se jo. Rreshtimi neper luftera perbri atij ose ketij ""kombi"", nuk behej mbi bazen e atdhedashurise, sepse ky koncept as nuk egzistonte atehere, por ne baze te interesave te sundonjesve. Une po te marre si shembull, vetem faktin se mercenaret greke ne ushtrine persiane, ishin me shume si numer se sa greket ne ushtrine Aleksandriane, kur ata u perplasen se bashku. Eshte nje kurth i madh barazimi i konceptit "komb" te lashtesise me ate qe ne kuptojme sot. Per me teper Herodoti eshte autori me kontradiktor ne bote per tu cituar, dhe keshtu me i papershtatshmi.

[ALBPelasgian]

The Iapyges, the Messapians and the Chonians probably left the eastern coasts of the Adriatic for Italy during this period. The name of the last suggests some kinship with the Chaonians of the southern shores of Albania.

http://books.google.com/books?id=vXljf8 ... ns&f=false

[ALBPelasgian]

Enciklopedia suedeze e paraqet Epirin të banuar nga ilirët:

Befolkning og historie

Befolkningen var væsentlig Illyrer. Mod syd anlagde grækere, særlig dorer, kolonier og gennem dem fik de egentlige indbyggere nogen kultur. Det egentlige land var delt i mange småstater, blandt hvilke Molosserne fik den største betydning. Den berømte Pyrrhus (død år 272 f.Kr.) gjorde Epeiros til et mægtigt kongerige og førte krige i udlandet. Efter hans død forfaldt kongedømmet og Epeiros blev en forbundsrepublik. År 168 f.Kr. hjalp Epeiros Kong Perseus af Makedonien mod Romerne, men som straf blev Epeiros Romersk provins. 1450 kom Epeiros under tyrkisk herredømme. I 1913 blev området forenet med Grækenland og indbyggertallet i dag er ca. 340.000.

http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epeiros

[Mallakastrioti]

John Amos Comenius (Czech: Jan Amos Komenský; Slovak: Ján Amos Komenský; German: Johann Amos Comenius; Polish: Jan Amos Komeński; Hungarian: Comenius Ámos János; Latinized: Iohannes Amos Comenius) (28 March 1592 – 4 November 1670) was a Czech teacher, educator, and writer. He was the last bishop of Unity of the Brethren, a religious refugee, and one of the earliest champions of universal education, a concept eventually set forth in his book Didactica Magna. He is often considered the father of modern education.

[Zeus10]

John Amos Comenius (Czech: Jan Amos Komenský; Slovak: Ján Amos Komenský; German: Johann Amos Comenius; Polish: Jan Amos Komeński; Hungarian: Comenius Ámos János; Latinized: Iohannes Amos Comenius) (28 March 1592 – 4 November 1670) was a Czech teacher, educator, and writer. He was the last bishop of Unity of the Brethren, a religious refugee, and one of the earliest champions of universal education, a concept eventually set forth in his book Didactica Magna. He is often considered the father of modern education.

E shkelqyer kjo Mallakastrioti.
Dy prova shume te rendesishme per komshijte tane.
1. Greket nuk permenden si etni fare, dhe Maqedonia dhe Epiri jane toke e albanezeve.
2. Serbet jane as me pak e as me shume por BULLGARE. Kjo verteton tezen time qe ata nuk jane nje etni me vete ne bashkesine e madhe te presupozuar sllave, por nje derivat i bullgareve qe u ngjizen prane kishes.

[Zeus10]

Gjuha Greke, Hebree dhe Latine jane gjuhe skolastike me shume se nacionale. Ky eshte nje argument aq shume i theksuar nga une, po qe anashkalohet pa u ndier nga ata qe na bejne opozite:



Ky eshte burimi i gjuhes te kombit te sajuar grek.