"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto ▬ Skanderbeg, October 31 1460

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Këtu mund të flisni mbi historinë tonë duke sjellë fakte historike për ndriçimin e asaj pjese të historisë mbi të cilen ka rënë harresa e kohës dhe e njerëzve.
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Mos hezito fare Mallakastrioti, sepse ""shkencetaret"" e gjithe botes nuk hezitojne te shkruajne idiotesira te tilla:

Macedonian βάσκιοι báskioi ('fasces'), Attic φάσκωλος pháskōlos 'leather sack' , from PIE *bhasko
γοτάν gotán ('pig') is related to *gwou ('cattle'), this would indicate that the labiovelars were either intact, or merged with the velars, unlike the usual Greek treatment (Attic βοῦς boûs). Such deviations, however, are not unknown in Greek dialects; compare Doric (Spartan) γλεπ- glep- for common Greek βλεπ- blep-, as well as Doric γλάχων gláchōn and Ionic γλήχων glēchōn for common Greek βλήχων blēchōn.[13]
Macedonian δάνος dánοs ('death', from PIE *dhenh2- 'to leave'), compare Attic θάνος thános
Macedonian ἀβροῦτες abroûtes or ἀβροῦϜες abroûwes as opposed to Attic ὀφρῦς ophrûs for 'eyebrows'
Macedonian Βερενίκη Bereníkē versus Attic Φερενίκη Phereníkē, 'bearing victory'
Macedonian ἄδραια adraia ('bright weather'), compare Attic αἰθρία aithría, from PIE *h2aidh-
Macedonian μάγειρος mágeiros ('butcher') was a loan from Doric into Attic. Vittore Pisani has suggested an ultimately Macedonian origin for the word, which could then be cognate to μάχαιρα mákhaira ('knife', <PIE *magh-, 'to fight')

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Kjo foto pa tjeter qe e ka vendin tek kjo teme:

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Femije shqiptare ne nje shkolle shqiptare ne Filat (Cameri) ne vitin 1942
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Me falni qe vepra ne vijim eshte ne gjuhen angleze, megjithate eshte shkruar nga historiani yne Neritan Ceka :

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Mallakastrioti wrote:Kjo foto pa tjeter qe e ka vendin tek kjo teme:

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Femije shqiptare ne nje shkolle shqiptare ne Filat (Cameri) ne vitin 1942
e sakt o derman..ju i njihni me mire keto ceshtje

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The antiquities of Greece (1835)


Author: Paul, Robert Bateman, 1798-1877
Subject: Greece -- Antiquities; Greece -- Social life and customs


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Ne mos gaboj po ta perkthejme fjalen "settlement" ne shqip do te thote "koloni" ose "vendbanim kolonesh"---pra ardhacake.Autori ben nje ndarje te prere midis koloneve greke qe ishin ngulitur ne bregdet te Epirit me banoret qe banonin ne hinterland duke i quajtur "all barbarians",pra te huaj apo te ndryshem si popullsi nga kolonet greke.
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The Life Of Greece (1939)


Author: Will Durant


Me kujton disi kohet e tanishme kjo lloj politike qe pershkruhet nga autori...."Vetem Epiri dhe Iliria paten kurajo te ndihmonin Perseun;shtetet Greke i derguan atij letra sekrete simpatie,por nuk ben asgje."
(Ja edhe nje dallim tjeter midis Iliro-Epiroteve-Maqedonasve me Greket)

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Mallakastrioti wrote:The antiquities of Greece (1835)


Author: Paul, Robert Bateman, 1798-1877
Subject: Greece -- Antiquities; Greece -- Social life and customs


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Ne mos gaboj po ta perkthejme fjalen "settlement" ne shqip do te thote "koloni" ose "vendbanim kolonesh"---pra ardhacake.Autori ben nje ndarje te prere midis koloneve greke qe ishin ngulitur ne bregdet te Epirit me banoret qe banonin ne hinterland duke i quajtur "all barbarians",pra te huaj apo te ndryshem si popullsi nga kolonet greke.
derman

se shpejti do te bej nje permbledhje me te qarte shkencore te historis se gjuhes greke...perciperisht po tekujtoj se nuk ka pasur kurre greke ne epire..shkollat qe lejoheshin ishin shkollat greke edhe turke te cilat kishin per mesues prifterinj e hoxhallar qe ishin shkolluar ne greqisht e turqisht...keta ishin greket dembabadem...se shpejti derman,bej pak durim se po e skanoj matrialin per kete ceshtje

une akoma nuk kam filluar te flas tek kjo teme, por kur te filloj do cuditeni krejt per menyren se si na i futen turqit ne marveshje me greket=myslimanizmi me ortodoksin

e futura e tyre vazhdon edhe sote kur ata pjellin greke e turq me ane te se njejtes fabrike fetare myslimanoortodokse qe flet arabisht e greqisht ne shqiperi

derman ,u bem 20 vjet demokraci edhe ne se fundi e mori vesh presidenti i republikes qe "perendia duhet te flase shqip"...kur ti sjelle ato dokumente greke nga epiri shqiptare keni per tu habitur plako....por ne si shqiptare nuk kemi as dituri edhe as vullnet politik largpames per aq kohe sa qe politiken shqiptare ta drejtojn idet e mark markut edhe andri nurellarit..te pakten.....

ah moj molla kur do piqesh?


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Litteratur der Grammatiken, Lexika und Wörtersammlungen aller Sprachen der ...
By Johann Severin Vater 1815


Shqiptarët dhe vendi i shqiptarëve është , Epiri , ish Ilirija në pjesët e Dallmacisë dhe në tokat e Bullgaris
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History of the Byzantine Empire, 324-1453
Author:Alexander A. Vasiliev
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John Mcgregor
Year: 1850


Commercial Statistics: A Digest of the Productive Resources, Commercial Legislation, Customs Tariffs, of All Nations. Including All British Commercial Treaties with Foreign States

CHAPTER IX.

TRADE OF ALBANIA.

The trade of this extensive section of European Turkey is chiefly important as regards the intercourse between its ports and the Ionian Islands, and the trade between Scutari and the ports of Venice, and Trieste. The ports of Prevesa, Durazzo, and Scutari, might become important, if any great practical improvement in agriculture or trade were made. Under the existing government we do not expect any favourable progress. Albania, including ancient Epirus, possesses a climate and soils capable of producing valuable crops of corn, hemp, vines, currants, and various other fruits and productions.
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James Cowles Prichard
Year: 1841


Source: Researches Into the Physical History of Mankind : Ethnography of Europe
The people generally known in Europe by the name of Albanians, by the Turks called Arnauts, and by themselves Skipetares, which means in their language " mountaineers" or " dwellers on rocks," inhabit the greater part of the ancient Illyricum and Epirus. They are a hardy and warlike people, and pay only a nominal obedience to the Ottoman Porte. They have a peculiar language, and constitute, as we have observed, a particular race, which is very distinct from the Slavonian inhabitants of the country which borders on them towards the north, as well as from their Turkish and Greek neighbours, and they are now generally supposed to be the descendants of the ancient Illyrians and Epirots.The eastern coast of the Adriatic, from the gulf of Drino to the bay of Arta, is the extent of proper Albania from north to south ; but the Albanian people are spread much further. They reach not only over all Epirus, but through the northern provinces of Greece, Thessaly, Aetolia, Boeotia, and Attica, and are found in many of the Grecian islands; likewise in Romelia, Servia, and to the very gates of Constantinople. There are also very considerable colonies of the Albanian race on the coast of Calabria and in Sicily, whither they have fled from the arms of the Turks.

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Shqiptarët janë pasardhësit e Epirotëve dhe të Ilirsë , edhe sot e flasin po të njëjtën gjuhë shqiptarët sikurse ajo
e vjetra , vet në qytetin e Athinës mundeni edhe sot të ndegjoni fjal shqipe... shkruan :
Christian Keferstein

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Socio,a mund te gjesh ndonje menyre ta postosh komplet studimin e Hammondit:
NGL Hammond, “Illyris, Epirus and Macedonia in the Early Iron Age,” in The Cambridge Ancient History (Second Edition) Vol. III Part
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Europe ([1886?])


Author: Reclus, Elisée, 1830-1905; Ravenstein, E. G. (Ernest George), 1834-1913; Keane, A. H. (Augustus Henry), 1833-1912
Volume: 1


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Mallakastriot, materialet qe po i sjell jane nje thesar i vertete!
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