"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto ▬ Skanderbeg, October 31 1460

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Këtu mund të flisni mbi historinë tonë duke sjellë fakte historike për ndriçimin e asaj pjese të historisë mbi të cilen ka rënë harresa e kohës dhe e njerëzve.
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Citim nga libri :

"Pauli Iouii Nouocomensis Episcopi Nucerini Historiarum sui temporis: tomus ..."
Paolo Giovio

Cili ka qene Paolo Giovio:

Paolo Giovio (Como, 21 aprile 1483? – Firenze, 12 dicembre 1552) è stato un medico, storico, vescovo cattolico e biografo italiano.
=Paolo Giovio lindi ne Como,21 prill 148? dhe vdiq ne Firenze,12 dhjetor 1552,ka qene nje mjek,historian,peshkop katolik dhe biograf italian.

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Duke kerkuar per kete person te mesjetes,pra Nikolle Mézin apo Nicolaus Masius gjeta diçka rreth tij...

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Mallakastër, unë kam konsideratën më të lartë ndaj jush për shkak se te ju shoh një karakter të pastër studiues, kërkues e ngulmues në të njejtën kohë.
Është mrekulli që brenda kësaj pak kohe që kemi ngritur këtë ngrehinë, e kemi përforcuar dhe lartësuar kaq shumë me forcë racionale dhe argumentim shkencor, të cilin se kanë bërë asnjëherë as Akademitë tona që prej se ekzistojnë.
Është mirë që materialet e kësaj teme (por edhe të disa temave tjera kapitale) t'i ruajmë në PC-të personal dhe t'i sistemojnë nëpër CD sipas skedave të përmbajtjes. Materiali që kemi shtënë në dorë është i rrallë si ndonjë artefakt i çmueshëm. Ndaj t'i ruajmë!
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Ju falenderoj djema si Zeus edhe ALB. per fjalet tuaja :) ...pune te mrekullueshme po bejme te gjithe-te vazhdojme keshtu.
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Citim nga Howell James ...
Cili ishte Howell James:

James Howell (c. 1594 – 1666) was a 17th-century British historian and writer who is in many ways an emblematic figure of his age. The son of a Welsh clergyman, he was for much of his life in the shadow of his elder brother Thomas Howell, who became Lord Bishop of Bristol.

"Shqipja(gjuha) ,e nje populli qe banon rreth maleve te Epirit"

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"Notitia utraque dignitatum, cum orientis, tum occidentis, ultra Arcadii ..." 1608
Guido Panciroli,Andrea Alciati

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"Appianou Alexandreōs Rōmaika, Volume 2"
Alexandrinus Appianus,Alexander Tollius,Henri Estienne

Apiani i Aleksanderise

"Iliria shtrihej qe nga Kaonia e Thesprotia deri ne lumin Ister(Danub)"
(-ku shtriheshin fisi ilir i Isterve,ose Istria e sotshme ku pjesa me e madhe i perket Kroacise dhe nje pjese e vogel Italise)

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Appiani:

Eshte i qarte diferencimi qe behet ne mes Thrakis/Maqedonis dhe Epirit:

"Helenet quajne ilire ata qe banojne mbi Maqedonine dhe Thrakine, qe nga kaonet dhe thesprote deri tek lumi Ister. Dhe kjo eshte gjarsia e vendit, ndersa gjersia prej maqedoneve dhe thrakeve malore tek paionet deri Jon dhe ne rreze te Alpeve..."
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gtcc1 wrote:Appiani:

Eshte i qarte diferencimi qe behet ne mes Thrakis/Maqedonis dhe Epirit:

"Helenet quajne ilire ata qe banojne mbi Maqedonine dhe Thrakine, qe nga kaonet dhe thesprote deri tek lumi Ister. Dhe kjo eshte gjarsia e vendit, ndersa gjersia prej maqedoneve dhe thrakeve malore tek paionet deri Jon dhe ne rreze te Alpeve..."
Po por ky lloj diferencimi është gjithsesi gjeografik dhe jo etnik, sepse në një vend tjetër Apiani shprehet:
§6] These peoples, and also the Pannonians, the Rhaetians, the Noricans, the Mysians of Europe, and the other neighboring tribes who inhabited the right bank of the Danube, the Romans distinguished from one another just as the various Greek peoples are distinguished from each other, and they call each by its own name, but they consider the whole of Illyria as embraced under a common designation.
Whence this idea took its start I have not been able to find out, but it continues to this day, for they farm the tax of all the nations from the source of the Danube to the Euxine Sea under one head, and call it the Illyrian tax.

Appian's History of Rome: The Illyrian Wars §§6-10
Pra, romakët kur e vunë në kontrollin e tyre Siujdhesën tonë e quajtën 'Ilirike' gjër në Detin e Zi dhe taksa që mblidhej gjër atje quhej 'taksë ilirike'!
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Skanderbeg is the national hero of Albania. The current national flag of Albania is said to have been his flag and his helmet was and is still shown on several Albanian symbols.
Gjergj Kastrioti Skanderbeg (c. 1403-1468) was a member of the noble Kastrioti family, considered as originating from the hamlet of Kastrat, located on the plateau of Has, in northern Albania. Jean Kastrioti took control around 1400 of the region spreading from Tirana and Shkodra after a long struggle against the Balsha and Thopia family. Jean Kastrioti was defeated in 1422 by the Ottoman Sultan Muhrat II (1421-1451) and has to give him his son Georges as an hostage. Georges was military trained in Andrinople; he was such a good fighter that the Turks nicknamed him Iskander (Alexander). The Sultan appointed him sandjak-bey, that is reponsible of a military fief (timar) in his birth region, and then vali of the vilayet of Kruja. Muhrat's policy was to appoint beys of Albanian origin in Albania in order to control the country and increase his supporters.
In 1442, a Polish-Hungarian coalition attacked the western border of the Ottoman Empire; Skanderbeg took advantage of the confusion to seize the fortress of Kruja and organized the Albanian resistance to the Turks. On 28 November 1843, he proclaimed the Free Principality of Albania and raised the red flag with the black double-headed eagle, which was his family's standart. In 1444, the Albanian chiefs gathered in Lezha, then a Venitian possession, and appointed Skanderbeg their supreme chief. Skanderbeg gained the support, mostly nominal, of the Republic of Venice and also of King Alphonse of Naples, who saw him as the advanced defender of Southern Italy against the Ottomans. Moving from village to village, he increased his army and defeated the Ottomans for the first time in June 1444 and then in 1445 and 1446.
Skanderbeg challenged the local rule of Venice, which attacked him in 1447. A huge Ottoman army besieged Kruja in August 1450 but withdrew one month and a half later after several failed assaults. Skanderbeg became famous in Europe as the pioneer of the Christian reconquest against the Ottomans. When attempting to transform the League of Lezha into a unified and organized state, Skanderbeg was abandoned by two great Albanian families and betrayed by his own nephew, Hamza Kastrioti, who joined the Sultan. After the fall of Constantinople in 1453, the Ottomans resumed their attacks against Albania. On 7 September 1457, Skanderbeg won the battle of Albulene, near Kruja, and the Congress of Mantova proposed him the leadership of an anti-Ottoman crusade. A third siege set up in 1467 was not more successful. Skanderbeg died from fever in Lezha on 17 January 1468 and was buried there in the St. Nicholas cathedral. The Albanians did not give up but the Ottomans eventually seized Kruja on 16 June 1478 and a few years later most Albanian cities. After the fall of Lezha, the Ottomans desecrated Skanderbeg's tomb, spread away his bones and transformed the cathedral into a mosque. In 1501, Skanderbeg's grandson landed near Lezha but was expelled by the Ottomans.
In 1968, the 500th anniversary of the death of the national hero was commemorated with the erection of an equestrian statue portraying him on the main square of Tirana, Skanderbeg Square. The statue was made by the sculptor Odhise Paskali, assisted by Andrea Mano and Janaq Paço.

Sources:

* Encyclopaedia Universalis
* Jean Durand-Monti. Albanie. Arthaud, 1990.

In 1576, Jacques Delavardin published in Paris Histoire de Georges Castriot, surnommé Scanderberg (sic), surely based on Barleti and Bardhi's books (see below). The famous poet Pierre de Ronsard (1524-1585) wrote as the preface to the book a sonnet dedicated to Delavardin, portraying Skanderbeg as follows (quote from Alexandre Zotos (Ed.) Anthologie de la prose albanaise. Fayard, 1984):

[...] Et Scanderbeg, haineux du peuple Scythien
Qui de toute l'Asie a chassé l'Evangile.
O très-grand Epirote ! Ô vaillant Albanois !
Dont la main a défait les Turcs vingt et deux fois [...]"

"[...] And Scanderbeg, hating the Scythian people
Which from all Asia has expelled the Gospel.
O! Mighty Epirote! O! valiant Albanian!
Whose hand defeated the Turks twenty-two times[...]"

The American poet Henry Wadsworth Longfellow (1807-1882) wrote in his Tales of a Wayside Inn (quoted by Smith [smi75b]):

The crescent banner falls
And the crowd beholds instead
Like a portent in the sky
Iskander's banner fly
The Black Eagle with double head
[...]

More recently (1970), the epos of Skanderbeg and the sieges of Kruja have been related by the great Albanian writer Ismail Kadare in his novel The Rain Drums.

Marin Barleti, who exiled to Rome in 1479 after the fall of Shkodra, published c. 1508-1510 in Latin his History of the actions of Scanderbeg, Prince of the Epirotes, which was translated in several languages and spread Skanderbeg's epos all over Europe. Frang Bardhi (1606-1643) published in 1636, also in Latin, his Scanderbeg, whose main goal was to refute the alleged Slavic origin of Skanderbeg (a theory still defended by Macedonian and Serbian nationalists). In order to prove that Skanderbeg did not belong to the Marnavić lineage, Bardhi quoted Barleti, who wrote that Skanderbeg's family emblem was "a double-headed eagle on a red background", an emblem never used by the Marnavić.
It is usually admitted that the eagle is of Byzantine origin. Petit Larousse Illustré 2004 claims that the Albanian eagle is of Austro-Hungarian origin, which is simply an anachronism; the flag section of that Larousse release is marred by mistakes and can unfortunately not be considered as a reliable source.

The eagle of the flag has often be related to the local name of Albania, Shqipëria, and of the Albanians, Shqiptar, formed on the Albanian root shqipe, the eagle. Albania is often named the Land of Eagles. The eagle was indeed highly estimated in Albania in very ancient times: the Epirot King Pyrrhos was nicknamed "The Eagle". However, the word shqiptar appeared only around 1555, in the oldest known documents written in Albanian, and only to designate the language spoken in the region then called Arbër. The Greek geographer Ptolemaus (IInd century BC) placed on his maps the city of Albanopolis, the capital city of the Albanoï. In th IX-XIth century, the Byzantine chroniclers used the names of Albanoi and Arbanites. In the Middle Ages, the Albanians called themselves Arben, Arbër or Arbëreshë their neighbours called them Arbanitoï, Arbanensis, or Arvanites, after the region of Arbanon, near Kruja, later called for long Arbeni. There is still near Tirana a village called Arbanë and the inhabitants of the region of Saranda call their region Arbër. For the Byzantines, the Arbanites were Roman Catholic, whereas the Orthodox were called Gracci, and later Epirotes. The use of Albanians for a nationality appeared only in the XIVth century.

Source for this section: J. Durand-Monti, op. cit.

Ivan Sache, 10 May 2006

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Interviste me historianin kroat A.Stpipçeviç:

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Thash te mburresha njecik me pshatin tim sepse i paska kenduar edhe Stipçeviç qe me aq sa kuptoj i referohet mureve rrethuese se kalase se Klosit-tipike ndertim Ilir:

Aleksandar Stipcevic - Iliri

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A.Stipçeviç ja merr kenges une i mbaj iso :lol:

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Do i lutesha Zeus ose Alfeko te na perkthenin kete pasazh te Strabonit:

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Mallakastrioti wrote:Do i lutesha Zeus ose Alfeko te na perkthenin kete pasazh te Strabonit:

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The Amphilochians are Epeirotes; and so are the peoples who are situated above them and border on the Illyrian mountains, inhabiting a rugged country--I mean the Molossi, the Athamanes, the Aethices, the Tymphaei, the Orestae, and also the Paroraei and the Atintanes, some of them being nearer to the Macedonians and others to the Ionian Gulf. It is said that Orestes once took possession of Orestias--when is, exile on account of the murder of his mother--and left the country bearing his name; and that he also founded a city and called it Argos Oresticum. But the Illyrian tribes which are near the southern part of the mountainous country and those which are above the Ionian Gulf are intermingled with these peoples; for above Epidamnus and Apollonia as far as the Ceraunian Mountains dwell the Bylliones, the Taulantii, the Parthini, and the Brygi. Somewhere near by are also the silver mines of Damastium, around which the Dyestae and the Encheleii (also called Sesarethii) together established their dominion; and near these people are also the Lyncestae, the territory Deuriopus, Pelagonian Tripolitis, the Eordi, Elimeia, and Eratyra. In earlier times these peoples were ruled separately, each by its own dynasty……But some go so far as to call the whole of the country Macedonia, as far as Corcyra, at the same time stating as their reason that in tonsure, language, short cloak, and other things of the kind, the usages of the inhabitants are similar,

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"Onomasticum‎ "-
Julius Pollux - 1706

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