"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto ▬ Skanderbeg, October 31 1460

SHQIPERIA DHE SHQIPTARET NEPER HARTA KLASIKE

Sillni harta historike fiziko-politike-etnografike, që pasqyrojnë realitetin etnik dhe politik të një rajoni të caktuar, në një periudhë të caktuar.
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Mallakastrioti wrote:Kufijte e Shqiperise Veriore ne vitin 1696:

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Pra kufizoheshim me Dalmacine(Kroacia e sotme),Bosnjen dhe Serbine-ku Kosova ishte pjese integruese jona.

Mali i Zi ka qene pjese e Shqiperise,sipas kesaj harte.
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Fluviorum in Europa principis Danubii Cum Adiacentiibus Regnis nec non totius Graeciae Et Archipelagi Novissima Tabula, by Johann Baptiste Homann, 1720 ca.

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Edhe pse tema ne fjale eshte per te mbledhe posaqerisht harta mbi shtrirjen etnografike te shqiptareve, materiali ne vijim asht nuk eshte harte por nje pershkrim i tokave shqiptare sipas te dhenave te nje konsulli 'grek' ne Shkoder:
Some thirty years ago, the Greek Consul at Scu-
tari, M. Mavromatis, in a statement published in
the newspaper Akropolis of Athens
, made the
pertinent remark that the word "Albania" is more
comprehensive in its ethnographical than in its geo-
graphical meaning.


In fact, the Greek Consul proceeded to indicate
five ethnographical zones, to-wit :
1. Southern Albania, from the Greek boundary (as
it stood before the Balkan war of 1912)
to the river
Shkumbi.

2. Central Albania, from Shkumbi to the River
Mati.

3. Northern Albania, from Mati to the frontier of
Montenegro before 1912.


4. Northeastern Albania, which includes Novi-
Bazar, Prisrend, Prishtina,
etc., etc.

5. Macedonian Albania, from the lakes of Orchida
and Prespa to Prilep and Monastir.
1

To these must also be added the important Al-
banian colonies in Greece, Italy, Montenegro, etc.

The first attempt to delimit the Albanian terri-
tory was made, as we have already seen, at the close
of the Albanian insurrection of 1912, when the Turk-
ish Government recognized that the frontiers of the
administratively autonomous Albania extended to
the four western European vilayets, namely, the
vilayets of Scutari, Kossova, Monastir and Janina.

This delimitation corresponds to a very great extent
to the five zones of M. Mavromatis.

The region inhabited by a compact and mostly
homogeneous Albanian population may be roughly
marked out by a line drawn from the Montenegrin
frontier at Berana (before 1912) to Mitrovitza and
the Serbian frontier (again before 1912) near
Vrania ; thence to Uskub, Prilep, Monastir, Fiorina,
Kastoria, Janina and Parga.
2 Serving as natural
boundaries, there are, in the northeast, the moun-
tains of Shar Dag — though they cut off compact Al-
banian populations, in the east and southeast the
mountains Grammos and Pindus, and in the west the
Adriatic Sea.

i F. Gibert, "Lea Pays d'Albanie," p. 120.

2 J. D. Bourchier in the Encyclopedia Britannica : Albania.
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Arberit - autoktone te deshmuar ne Maqedoni:

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Eshte me rendesi sesi kjo harte gjuhesore (1914) ben te ditur sesi shqipja flitet gjate tere Pindit, si dhe nje nje sere enklavash ne 'Greqi':

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Kjo harte gjermane paraqet Shkupin dhe rrethinen e tij kryesisht shqiptare, perderisa Velesen teper bullgar (gje qe mua m'duket e fryre e
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Vilajetet shqiptare ne nje teresi:

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This section of Theoi.com describes the basileis or kingdoms of Greece as they existed in the time of myth, or more specifically in the days of the Trojan War.

The map (right) is based on the catalogue of Greek troops in Homer's Iliad, using the towns and cities mentioned and other geographical landmarks to define the territories. Some is naturally guess-work or rough estimations, especially for the various kingdoms of Thessalia's broad plain.

NB Regarding Ithaka & Doulikhion (Dulichium): I have not followed the Greek georgrapher Strabo's somewhat confused identifications of these western Islands (an ancient error that has been handed down to the present day). Ithaka, as it is described in the Iliad and the Odyssey, is most likely the western-most spur of the island of Kephallenia (and indeed there are ruins of an ancient Mykenian town facing the harbour). Doulichion is probably the southernmost island now named Zakynthos, and Zakynthos modern-day Leucas.

ATTIKA & MEGARIS

Capital: Athenai

"The men who held Athenai, the strong-founded citadel, the deme of great-hearted Erekhtheus ... of these men the leader was Peteos' son Menestheus ... Following along with him were fifty black ships." - Homer, The Iliad 2.546

SALAMIS

Capital: Salamis


"Out of Salamis Aias brought twelve ships and placed them next to where the Athenian battalions were drawn up." - Homer, The Iliad 2.557

ARGOS (SOUTH), TROIZENOS & AIGINA

Capital: Argos

"They who held Argos and Tiryns of the huge walls, Hermione and Asine lying down the deep gulf, Troizenos and Eionai, and Epidauros of the vineyars, they who held Aigina and Mases, sons of hte Akhaians, of these the leader was Diomedes of the great war cry, with Sthenelos, own son to high-renowned Kapaneus, and with them as a third went Euryalos, a man godlike, son of Mekisteus the king, and scion of Talaos; but the leader of all was Diomedes of the great war cry. Following along with these were eighty black ships." - Homer, The Iliad 2.559

ARGOS (NORTH), KORINTHOS & SIKYON

Capital: Mykenai

"The men who held Mykenai, the strong-founded citadel, Korinthos the luxurious, and strong-founded Kleonai; they who dwelt in Orneai and lovely Araithyrea, and Sikyon, where of old Adrestos had held the kingship; they who held Hyperesia and steep Gonoessa, they who held Pellene and they who dwelt about Aigion, all about the sea-shore and about the wide headland of Helike, of their hundred ships the leader was Agamemnon." - Homer, The Iliad 2.569

LAKEDAIMONIA

Capital: Sparta

"They who held the swarming hollow of Lakedaimon, Pharis, and Sparta, and Messe of the dove-cotes, they who dwelt in Bryseiai and lovely Augeiai, they who held Amyklai and the seaward city of Helos, they who held Laas, and they who dwelt about Oitylos, of te=hse his brother Menelaos of the great war cry waws leader, with sixty ships marshalled apart from the others." - Homer, The Iliad 2.581

MESSENIA

Capital: Messene

Messenia sent no independent contingent to the Trojan War. The presumed heirs to the throne of Messenia were the twins Idas and Lynkeus who were slain by the Dioskouroi just prior to the War. The kingdom may have then been incorporated into that of King Nestor's neighbouring Pylos.

PYLOS

Capital: Pylos

"They who dwelt about Pylos and lovely Arene, and Thryon, the Alpheios crossing, and strong-built Aipy; they who lived in Kyparisseeis and Amphigeneia, Pteleos and Helos and Dorion ... the leader was the Gerenian horseman, Nestor, in whose command were marshalled ninety hollow vessels." - Homer, The Iliad 2.592

ARKADIA

Capital: Tegea

"They who held Arkadia under the sheer peak, Kyllene, beside the tomb of Aipytos, where men fight at close quarters, they who dwelt in Orkhomenos of the flocks, and Pheneos, about Rhipe and Stratia and windy Enispe; they who held Tegea and Mantineia the lovely, they who held Stymphalos, and dwelt about Parrhasia, their leader was Angkaios' son, powerful Agapenor. Sixty was the number of their ships, and in each ship went many men of Arkadia, well skilled in battle." - Homer, The Iliad 2.603

ELIS

Capital: Elis

"They who lived in Bouprasion and brilliant Elis, all as much as Hyrmine and Myrsinos the uttermost and the Olenian rock and Alesion close between them, of these there were four chieftains, and with each man ten swift vessels followed, with many Epeian men on board them. Of two tens Thalpios and Amphimakhos were leaders, of Aktor's seed, sons one of Kteatos, one of Eurytos. Ten more were led by Amaryngkeus' son, strong Diores, and of the fourth ten godlike Polyxeinos was leader, son of lord Agasthenes, of the race of Augeias." - Homer, The Iliad 2.615

OLENOS

Capital: Olenos

The kingdom of Olenos was conquered by the Aitolians just prior to the Trojan War and so its troops participated as a part of the Aitolian contingent.

EUBOIA

Capital: Khalkis

"They who held Euboia, the Abantes, whose wind was fury, Khalkis, and Eretria, the great vineyards of Histiaia, and seaborne Kerinthos and t he steep stronghold of Dion, they who held Karystos and they who dwelt about Styra, of these the leader was Elephenor, scion of Ares, son of Khalkodon and lord of the great-hearted Abantes. And the running Abantes followed with him, their hair gown long at the back, spearmen furious with the outreached ash spear... Following along with him were forty black ships." - Homer, The Iliad 2.536

LOKRIS

Capital: Oupos

"Swift Aias son of Oileus led the men of Lokris, the lesser Aias, not great in size like the son of Telamon, but far slighter ... These were the dwellers in Kynos and Opoeis and Kalliaros, and in Bessa, and Skarphe, and lovely Augeiai, in Thronion and Tarphe and beside the waters of Boiagros. Following along with him were forty black ships of the Lokrians, who dwell across from sacred Euboia." - Homer, The Iliad 2.527

MINYAI

Capital: Orkhomenos

"But they who lived in Aspledon and Orkhomenos of the Minyai, Askalaphos led these, and Ialmenos, children of Ares ... With these two there were marshalled thirty hollow vessels." - Homer, The Iliad 2.511

BOIOTIA

Capital: Thebes

"Leitos and Peneleos were leaders of the Boiotians, with Arkesilaos and Prothoenor and Klonios; they who lived in Hyria and in rocky Aulis, in the hill-bends of Eteonos, and Skhoinos, and Skolos, Thespeia and Graia, and in spacious Mykalessos; they who dwelt about Harma and Eilesion and Erythrai, they who held Eleon and Hyle and Peteon, with Okalea and Medeon, the strong-founded citadel, Kopai, and Eutresis, and Thisbe of the dove-cotes; they who held Koroneia, and the meadows of Haliartos, they who held Plataia, and they who dwelt about Glia, they who led the lower Thebes, the strong-founded citadel, and Onkhestos the sacred, the shining grove of Poseidon; they who held Arne of the great vineyards, and Mideia, with Nisa the sacrosanct and uttermost Anthedon. Of these there were fifty sips in all, and on board each of these a hundred and twenty sons of the Boiotians." - Homer, The Iliad 2.494

PHOKIS

Capital: Krisa

"Skhedios and Epistrophos led the men of Phokis, children of Iphitos, who was son of great-hearted Naubolos. They held Kyparissos, and rocky Pytho, and Krisa the sancrosanct together with Daulis and Panopeus; they who lived about Hyampolis and Anamoreia, they who dwelt about Kephisos, the river immortal, they who held Lilaia beside the well springs of Kephisos. Following along with these were forty black ships, and the leaders marshalling the ranks of the Phokians set them in arms on the left wing of the host beside the Boiotians." - Homer, The Iliad 2.511

DRYOPIA

Dryopia (the region later known as Ozolian Lokris) did not contribute any troops to the Trojan War. The kingdom was ruled by the Herakleidai (sons of Herakles) at the time of the War - see Thessalian Doros below (which was their main holding).

AITOLIA

Capital: Kalydon

"Thoas son of Andraimon was leader of the Aitolians, those who dwelt in Pleuron and Olenos and Pylene, Kalydon of the rocks and Khalkis beside the sea-shore, since no longer were the sons of high-hearted Oineus living, nor Oineus himself, and fair-haired Meleagros had perished. So all the lordship of the Aitolians was given to Thoas. Following along with him were forty black ships." - Homer, The Iliad 2.638

KEPHALLENIA, ITHAKA & ZAKYNTHOS

Capital: Ithaka

"Odysseus led the high-hearted men of Kephallenia, those who held Ithaka and leaf-trembling Neriton, those who dwelt about Krokyleia and rugged Aigilips, those who held Zakynthos and those who dwelt about Samos, those who held hte mainland and the places next to the crossing. All thse men were led by Odysseus, like Zeus in counsel. Following with him were twelve ships with bows red painted." - Homer, The Iliad 2.631

DOULIKHION

Capital: Doulikhion

"They who came from Doulikhion and the sacred Ekhinai islands, where men live across the water from Elis, Meges was the leader of these, a man like Ares, Phyleus' son, whom the rider dear to Zeus had begotten, Phyleus, who angered with his father had settled Doulikhion. Following along with him were forty black ships." - Homer, The Iliad 2.625

THESPROTIA

Capital: Ephyra

Thesprotia did not send any troops to the Trojan War. It was ruled by Queen Kallidike at the time.

MALIS, PHTHIOTIS & DOLOPIA

Capital: Trakhis

“Now all those who dwelt about Pelasgian Argos, those who lived by Alos and Alope and at Trakhis, thos who held Phthia and Hellas the land of fair women, who were called Myrmidones and Hellenes and Akhaians, of all these and their fifty ships the lord was Akhilleus.” - Homer, The Iliad 2.681

PHYLAKE

Capital: Phylake

“They who held Phylake and Pyrasos of the flowers, the precinct of Demeter, and Iton, mother of sheepflocks, Antron by the sea-shore, and Pteleos deep in the meadows, of these in turn fighting Protesilaos was leader while he lived … Yet these, longing as they did for their leader, did not go leaderless, but Pokarkes, scion of Ares, set them in order, child of Iphikles, who in turn was son to Phylakos rich in flocks, full brother of high-hearted Protesilaos.” - Homer, The Iliad 2.695

IOLKOS

Capital: Iolkos

"They who lived by Pherai beside the lake Boibeis, by Boibe and Glaphyrai and strong-founded Iolkos, of their eleven ships the dear son of Admetos was leader, Eumelos, born to Admetos by the beauty among women Alkestis, loveliest of the daughters of Pelias." - Homer, The Iliad 2.711

THAUMAKIA

Capital: Thaumakia

"They who lived about Thaumakia and Methone, they who held Meliboia and rugged Olizon, of their seven ships the leader was Philoktetes ... yet he himself lay apart in the island, suffering strong pains, in Lemnos the sacrosanct, where the sons of the Akhaians had left him in agony from the sore bite of the wicked water snake ... Yet these did not go leaderless, but Medon, the bastard son of Oileus, set them in order, whom Rhene bore to Oileus the sacker of cities." - Homer, The Iliad 2.716

PHLEGYAI

Capital: Trikke

"They who held Trikke and the terraced place of Ithome, and Oikhalia, the city of Oikhalian Eurytos, of these in turn the leaders were two sons of Asklepios, good healers both themselves, Podaleirios and Makhaon. In their command were marshalled thirty hollow vessels." - Homer, The Iliad 2.729

ORMENIOS

Capital: Ormenios

"They who held Ormenios and the spring of Hypereia, they who held Asterion and the pale peaks of Titanos, Eurypylos led these, the shining son of Euaimon. Following along with him were forty black ships." - Homer, The Iliad 2.734

DOROS

At the time of the Trojan War the kingdom of Doros was ruled by the Herakleidai (sons of Herakles). They did not take part in the Trojan War since the Heraklid suitor of Helene, Tlepolemos, had been exiled to the island of Rhodes.

LAPITHAI

Capital: Gyrtone

"They who held Argissa and dwelt about Gyrtone, Orthe and Elone and the white city of Oloosson, of these the leader was Polypoites, stubborn in battle, son of Peirithoos whose father was Zeus immortal, he whom glorious Hippodameia bore to Peirithoos on that day when he wreaked vengeance on the Pheres [the Centaurs] and drove them from Pelion ... Following in the guidance of these were forty black ships." - Homer, The Iliad 2.738

PERRRHAIBIA

Capital: Kyphos, Dodona

"Gouneus from Kyphos led two and twenty vessels, and the Enienes and the Perrhaibians stubborn in battle followed him, they who made their homes by wintry Dodona, and they who by lovely Titaressos held the tilled acres, Titaressos, who into Peneios casts his bright current: yet he is not mixed with silver whirls of Peneios, but like oil is floated along the surface above him." - Homer, The Iliad 2.748

MAGNESIA

"Prothoos son of Tenthredon was leader of the Magnesians, those who dwelt about Peneios and leaf-trembling Pelion. Of these Prothoos the swift-foted was leader. Following along with him were forty black ships." - Homer, The Iliad 2.756

PIERIA

Pieria did not send any troops to the Trojan War. The country was usually described in myth as a non-Greek land ruled by Thrakian kings.

KRETE

Capital: Knosos

"Idomeneus the spear-famed was leader of the Kretans, those who held Knosos and Gortyna of the great walls, Lyktos and Miletos and silver-shining Lykastos, and Phaistos and Rhytion, all towns well established, and other who dwelt beside them in Krete of the hundred cities. Of all these Idomeneus the spear-famed was leader, with Meriones, a match for the murderous Lord of Battles. Following along with these were eighty black ships." - Homer, The Iliad 2.645

RHODES

Capital: Lindos

"Herakles' son Tlepolemos the huge and mighty led from Rhodes nine ships with the proud men of Rhodes aboard them, those who dwelt about Rhodes and were ordered in triple division, Ialysos and Lindos and silver-shining Kameiros." - Homer, The Iliad 2.653

SYME

Capital: Syme

"Nireus from Syme led three balanced vessels, Nireus son of Aglaia and the king Kharopos, Nireus, the most beautiful man who came beneath Ilion." - Homer, The Iliad 2.671

KOS, NISYROS, KARPATHOS, KASOS

Capital: Kos

"They who held Nisyros and Krapathos and Kasos, and Kos, Eurypylos' city, and the islands called Kalydnai, of tehse again Pheidippos and Antiphos were the leaders. In their command were marshalled thirty hollow vessels." - Homer, The Iliad 2.676

MELOS

Capital: Melos

Melos sent no troops to the Trojan War. Its king at the time was Polyanax.

DELOS

Capital: Delos

Delos sent no troops to the Trojan War. Its king at the time was Anios.

LEMNOS

Capital: Lemnos

Lemnos sent no troops to the Trojan War. Its king at the time was Euneus.

SKYROS

Capital: Skyros

Skyros sent no troops to the Trojan War. Its king was Lykomedes who had Akhilleus' son Neoptolemos in his care. The island was probably merely a vassal of Malis-Pthiotis.

SAMOS, KHIOS, NAXOS, PAROS, SAMOTHRAKE, THASOS

None of these island kingdoms participated in the Trojan War.
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Ne gjeografin e Ptolomeyut fisi Alban eshte brenda Maqedonise

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Kjo eshte nje prej hartave te rralla gjeografike qe perfshin deri diku realisht trevat ku jetonin shqiptaret.
Sic e kemi theksuar edhe herave te tjera, shume harta kane nga nje te mete: nese ne disa zona e prezantojne
elementin shqiptar ashtu sic ishte, ne zona te tjera e pakesojne ose e fshijne fare. Nderkaq kjo ketu megjithate jep nje perfshirje me te madhe sesa te tjerat:

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Qe neser te korrim frutin me emrin Bashkim!
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