"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto ▬ Skanderbeg, October 31 1460

JANINA - PRAPAVIJA E SAJ SHQIPTARE

Këtu mund të flisni mbi historinë tonë duke sjellë fakte historike për ndriçimin e asaj pjese të historisë mbi të cilen ka rënë harresa e kohës dhe e njerëzve.

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The Tosks inhabiting Lower Albania, in the sandjaks of Avlona and Berat, and the Tchames and Liaps of the sandjaks of Delvina and Joannina, designate their country Tchamouria and Liapouria. These latter are supposed to be direct descendants of ancient Hellenes, as they speak the Greek language with greater purity than the rest; and certainly some of their characteristic features bear a great resemblance to those of the ancient Greeks. All the Albanians of Epirus use the Greek language, and are more conversant with it than with Turkish, which in some places is not spoken at all.

Fanny Janet Blunt:
The Albanians 1878

Ky pasus permban nje te vertete dhe nje keqinterpretim:

E VERTETA: ngjashmeria e madhe e shqiptareve me greket e lashte gje qe perforcohet nga bagazhi kulturor dhe gjuhesor.
KEQINTERPRETIMI: Vetem nje pjese e shqiptareve te Epirit kane perdorur gjuhen e kishes dhe shkolles - 'greqishten' kurse pjesa derrmuese e Epirit ka folur vernakularen autoktone - epirotiken dmth shqipen.
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The Albanian, unlike the Greek, felt the bonds of nationality stronger than those of religion.


George Finlay, History of the Greek Revolution,
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Sa mire do te ish sikur te gjenim artikullin e plote te D.Hogarth kur thote:

There are also Moslem and some Christian clans, which are definitely Albanian, south of Jannina.

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Janina, or Joanni'na, the chief town of Albania, is a large and flourishing city. It is most beautifully situate on the side of a lake, having before it a plain from 12 to 14 miles in length, covered with groves and gardens. Population 40,000.

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Citati i meposhtem rrefen ceshtjen e te ashtuquajturit 'helenicitet' dhe rrethanave te shfaqjes se tij:

Besides being a centre of commerce Janina was also a centre of Hellenism, largely because Greek was essentially the trading language and Ali Pasha in his mixed kingdom of Albanians, Greeks, and Vlachs used Greek almost as an official

The Sociological review: Volume 6, University of Keele, Sociological Society, Institute of Sociology - 1913, p.219.

"The Greeks proper are a town population, who constitute the trading, professional, and literary classes; but the soil is mostly cultivated by Albanians, whose language is deemed a very early offshoot from the Sanscrit".

School geography, James Clyde - 1870
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Metzovo, a town of European Turkey, in Albania, situate on the side of a steep and. lofty hill, in a deep valley, and on one of the sources of the Ana, 30 m ne Janina.

The general gazetteer: or, Compendious geographical dictionary ...Richard Brookes - 1827
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Ne vijim po paraqes kapitullin 'Ceshtja Shqiptare' te marre prej "Edinburgh Review". S'kam nenvizuar asgje, keshtu qe pjeset me te rendesishme mund te nxjerren me pastaj dhe te diskutohen ma gjansisht.

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sa keq qe nuk e thote kete nicknamin per turkun!A e din njeri si eshte?
Dhe e bëmë me besa besën ja të rrojmë ja të vdesëm!

Ishte thënë prej Zotit që të nderohen armët e Shqipërisë!
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erix77 wrote:sa keq qe nuk e thote kete nicknamin per turkun!A e din njeri si eshte?
Me fal s'po kuptoj erix per cilin 'nicknam' e ke fjalen...Mund te ma sqarosh!?

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Ne fund te faqes 55 shkruhet:Whatever the differences which separate the two elements may be,there is one point in which they both agree--namely a distrust of and contempt for the Turk,to whom they apply an opprobrious and untranslatable nickname.
Dhe e bëmë me besa besën ja të rrojmë ja të vdesëm!

Ishte thënë prej Zotit që të nderohen armët e Shqipërisë!
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Pershkrim i Epirit ose Shqiperise

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A memoir on the commerce and navigation of the Black Sea and the ..., Volume 2 By Henry Alexander Scammell Dearborn

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Some Frontiers of ToMorrow, L. W. Lyde


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Edhe nja dy faqe te tjera jane per Shqiperine, por per fat te keq jane te paralizuara nga 'books.google'!
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Dy faqet e fundit te kesaj prurjeje, jane nje material shume i mire per tu perdorur ne temen e Epirit, sepse heq cdo dyshim qe termi Epirot eshte ekujvalent me Albanian.
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Gjithashtu, mund te diskutojme ne ate teme dhe per termin Erbri(Arbri) qe ne opinionin tim nuk ndryshon thelbesisht nga termi latin Epiri:

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Geschichte Griechenlands und der Türkei:
Von Wilhelm von Lüdemann
1774


Janina qyteti me i pasur ne Shqiperi , Preveza dhe Vonica dominojne ne gjirin e Artes :

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“Nëse doni të zbuloni historinë para Krishtit dhe
shkencat e asaj kohe, duhet të studioni gjuhën shqipe !"
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