"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto ▬ Skanderbeg, October 31 1460

EPIRI - PERKATESIA E TIJ SHQIPTARE

Këtu mund të flisni mbi historinë tonë duke sjellë fakte historike për ndriçimin e asaj pjese të historisë mbi të cilen ka rënë harresa e kohës dhe e njerëzve.
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elikranon wrote:]Autori eshte nje nder te shumtit qe thote ate qe e kane thene dhe shume studiues shqiptare: qe Tosket beheshin me shume me greket sesa me Geget (per marredhenie, martesa etj.) Dhe ndersa midis Gegeve dhe Toskeve ka nje kufi te qarte, lumi Shkumbin, midis Toskeve dhe Grekeve ka pasur nje difuzion aq te madh sa nuk mund te flitej per nje kufi te qarte.
Kjo ka ndodhur, sepse ata qe ti i perkufizon si "greke", ishin ne fakt zgjatimi natyral i klanit tosk, ne ato territore qe me vone do te perdoreshin prej fuqive te medha per krijimin e nje shteti-komb, qe nuk kishte egzistuar kurre. Ketu po le menjane perkatesine fetare, qe eshte nje tjeter element determinues per Mesjeten, ne afersine sociale. Persa ju perket afersise se toskeve me gegeve, ajo eshte nje gje e padiskutueshme, ato jane dy klane qe kurre nuk kane luftuar njeri tjetrin, por jane bere bashke kur ka ardhur puna per te luftuar te huajt. Shembujt per kete jane te panumert. Bile dhe ne traditen e legjendave, ata nuk kane bere dallime kur vinte puna dhe per gjera te rendesishme:

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Kjo lidhje e forte midis dy klaneve, i tmerron ata qe duan ta shohin Shqiperine te neperkembur, por me vjen keq qe dhe ti qe je rritur ne ate toke, e deshiron kombin shqiptar te percare. Ty nuk te takon te behesh nje mendje me te huajt, pavaresisht se e ndan veten prej nesh si minoritar.
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elikranon wrote:
AgrianShigjetari wrote:Njeriu s'ka sesi te mos qeshe me gjithe zemer me orvatjet e ketij autori per te vendosur hendeqe midis gegeve dhe toskeve, dhe ne anen tjeter per t'i paraqitur tosket te padallueshem prej 'North-Western Greeks'. Ndonese autori ben perpjekje kaq te deshperueshme per nje gje te tille, prapseprap faktet e tradhtojne ate.
The Albanian population of Greece is completely Hellenised. It is of Toskh origin. The Toskhs are the Southern Albanians,
whose northern limit may be assigned to the neighbourhood of
the River Skumbi. They differ materially from the Ghegs or
Northern Albanians. The latter are divided into tribes, the
Toskhs are not. When the Gheg is a Christian, he is a Roman
Catholic, whilst the Toskh is Orthodox. Greek influence has
moulded the Toskhs for centuries, and a Toskh, even in Turkish
territory, resembles a Greek more than he does his Gheg com-
patriot
, whose chief occupation is fighting. When not thus
engaged his condition is that of armed idleness. The difference
extends even to the dress ; the Albanian costume adopted by the
Greeks, whose distinguishing feature is the fustanella, the many-
pleated white kilt, is Toskh. The fustanella is unknown among
the Ghegs. It is difficult to draw a line of demarcation between
Greeks and Toskhs in North-Western Greece.
But the division
between Toskhs and Ghegs farther north is as sharp as
between two different nations.

Home life in Hellas, Greece and the Greeks"
S'pari autorit te paragrafit te mesiperm i falenderohemi nga zemra qe pranon shqiptaresine e Epirit sepse nese sipas tij tere shqiptaret e Greqise jane me origjine toske, atehere kjo do te thote qe Epiri per gjate tere kohes eshte dominuar prej shqiptareve.

Nje tosk nuk i ngjan nje 'greku' sikunder perpiqet te thote autori, por i perngjan vellaut te tij ne Atike, More, Eube, Argolis, Hydra, Specai, etj te cilet jane shqiptare puro. Perkundrazi, nje tosk nuk i perngjan aspak nje 'greku' te ardhshem: sllavi, armeni apo pontiani te cilet erdhen prej Azise se Vogel per t'u kurorizuar si 'genuine Greeks'.

Autori per te bere diferncime midis gegeve dhe toskeve na permend se Geget nuk e perdorin fare Fustanellen. S'kemi sesi te mos e veme buzen ne gaz kur e dime qe fustanella ka pase nje perdorim te jashtezakonshem (po kaq te dendur sa ne Toskeri) deri ne fund te shekullit XIX.

Eshte e pamundshme te hiqet nje vije e prere midis Toskeve dhe 'Grekeve' ne Greqine Veri-perendimore. Sigurisht kete s'e luan as topi. Si mund te terhiqet nje vije e prere dallimi midis shqiptareve?
Autori eshte nje nder te shumtit qe thote ate qe e kane thene dhe shume studiues shqiptare: qe Tosket beheshin me shume me greket sesa me Geget (per marredhenie, martesa etj.) Dhe ndersa midis Gegeve dhe Toskeve ka nje kufi te qarte, lumi Shkumbin, midis Toskeve dhe Grekeve ka pasur nje difuzion aq te madh sa nuk mund te flitej per nje kufi te qarte.
-nono-
Ne asnje moment , pervetem se disa qe ishin te kthyer nga patrijarkana e Athines qe sot i kemi ne mesin e shqiptareve .
Gegeve dhe Toskeve ka nje kufi te qarte, lumi Shkumbin
-nono-
Eja shiqo ne Maqedoni , se nese nuk e di ka shume Toske kendej dhe nuk qarkullon lumi Shkumbim kendej , dhe , te garantoj une qe nuk e din fare shumica se cfare jane a Gege a Toske .
Ju jeni ata qe tentoni , sikur qe tentuat me shekuj me gjdo lloj menyra ..

Mjeda:
GEGE E TOSKE, Malsi, jallia
asht nji komb, me u nda s'duron"
Fishta:
"Bini toske e bini gege/ si dy rrufe qe shkojn tue djege/ a ngadhnjyesa a t'gjith deshmore..." (Hymni shqiptar).
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Zeus10 wrote: Kjo ka ndodhur, sepse ata qe ti i perkufizon si "greke", ishin ne fakt zgjatimi natyral i klanit tosk, ne ato territore qe me vone do te perdoreshin prej fuqive te medha per krijimin e nje shteti-komb, qe nuk kishte egzistuar kurre.
Edhe sikur te jete ashtu sic thua ti, prape ate qe them une demonstron. Qe Tosket me Greket nuk kishin nje kufi te qarte ndares (dhe ketu s`nenkuptoj vetem kufi territorial), por kishte shkallezime apo popullsi ndermjetese midis tyre. P.sh. Arvanitet mund te perceptohen si popullsi ndermjetese dhe koha kete tregoj.
Zeus10 wrote: Kjo lidhje e forte midis dy klaneve, i tmerron ata qe duan ta shohin Shqiperine te neperkembur, por me vjen keq qe dhe ti qe je rritur ne ate toke, e deshiron kombin shqiptar te percare. Ty nuk te takon te behesh nje mendje me te huajt, pavaresisht se e ndan veten prej nesh si minoritar.
Tani nese do ti shohim gjerat mire e bukur tjeter gje. Po 1997 nuk eshte larg dhe atehere u manifestuan shume dukuri te tilla. Megjithate e di qe do pergjigjesh qe per 97-en e ka fajin Greku.
Per cfare me adreson mua, eshte konkluzion arbitrar joti. Kuptohet qe Shqiperine dua ta shoh sa me mire. Kur flas per Gege e Toske, flas per dallime, jo divergjenca. Te tjera jane problemet e Shqiperise dhe jo dallimi Tosk-Geg.
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elikranon wrote:
Zeus10 wrote: Kjo ka ndodhur, sepse ata qe ti i perkufizon si "greke", ishin ne fakt zgjatimi natyral i klanit tosk, ne ato territore qe me vone do te perdoreshin prej fuqive te medha per krijimin e nje shteti-komb, qe nuk kishte egzistuar kurre.
Edhe sikur te jete ashtu sic thua ti, prape ate qe them une demonstron. Qe Tosket me Greket nuk kishin nje kufi te qarte ndares (dhe ketu s`nenkuptoj vetem kufi territorial), por kishte shkallezime apo popullsi ndermjetese midis tyre. P.sh. Arvanitet mund te perceptohen si popullsi ndermjetese dhe koha kete tregoj.
Po, pikerisht, sepse tosket, ishin deri ne skajin me jugor te Morese(Peloponezit), kurse ""greket"" ishin nje "race", qe s'ishte race e vertete, por nje rrjet tregetaresh, klerikesh dhe nepunesish qe i gjeje atje ku kishte qendra urbane.

Zeus10 wrote: Kjo lidhje e forte midis dy klaneve, i tmerron ata qe duan ta shohin Shqiperine te neperkembur, por me vjen keq qe dhe ti qe je rritur ne ate toke, e deshiron kombin shqiptar te percare. Ty nuk te takon te behesh nje mendje me te huajt, pavaresisht se e ndan veten prej nesh si minoritar.
Tani nese do ti shohim gjerat mire e bukur tjeter gje. Po 1997 nuk eshte larg dhe atehere u manifestuan shume dukuri te tilla. Megjithate e di qe do pergjigjesh qe per 97-en e ka fajin Greku.
Per cfare me adreson mua, eshte konkluzion arbitrar joti. Kuptohet qe Shqiperine dua ta shoh sa me mire. Kur flas per Gege e Toske, flas per dallime, jo divergjenca. Te tjera jane problemet e Shqiperise dhe jo dallimi Tosk-Geg.
Nuk mendoj, se tregon tendenca dashameriesie ne ato qe thua, megjithese ngaterrohesh me vete ne ato qe thua dhe konkludon. Fakti qe ve kufij etnike-gjeografike midis dy klaneve shqiptare dhe mundohesh indirekt, ti shpallesh tosket si greke, eshte nje perpjekje e djallezuar, eshte nje platforme e hershme politiko-shovene e qarqeve greke. Tashme eshte e njohur, perpjekja per shnderrimin e gjithe toskeve ne greke dhe copetimi i trungut shqiptar me dysh, nje perpjekje qe ka deshtuar, sepse shqiptaret e jugut, zgjodhen shqiptarine para prosperitetit dhe mireqenies qe ju ofroi Greqia dhe Kleri Ortodoks.
Une si Tosk qe jam vete, te garantoj, se nuk do e nderroja kurre perkatesine etnike time me nje te rreme si ajo greke, sepse qenja shqiptar me nderon dhe me hap syte, kurse duke u pozuar grek, poshterohem e fanatizohem.
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Zeus10 wrote: Po, pikerisht, sepse tosket, ishin deri ne skajin me jugor te Morese(Peloponezit), kurse ""greket"" ishin nje "race", qe s'ishte race e vertete, por nje rrjet tregetaresh, klerikesh dhe nepunesish qe i gjeje atje ku kishte qendra urbane.
Ne tragjedite Greke, tragjiket kishin ato zgjidhjet "απο μηχανης θεου". Keshtu edhe keto shpjegimet e tua "greket dolen nga makina e zotit".
Zeus10 wrote: Nuk mendoj, se tregon tendenca dashameriesie ne ato qe thua, megjithese ngaterrohesh me vete ne ato qe thua dhe konkludon. Fakti qe ve kufij etnike-gjeografike midis dy klaneve shqiptare dhe mundohesh indirekt, ti shpallesh tosket si greke, eshte nje perpjekje e djallezuar, eshte nje platforme e hershme politiko-shovene e qarqeve greke. Tashme eshte e njohur, perpjekja per shnderrimin e gjithe toskeve ne greke dhe copetimi i trungut shqiptar me dysh, nje perpjekje qe ka deshtuar, sepse shqiptaret e jugut, zgjodhen shqiptarine para prosperitetit dhe mireqenies qe ju ofroi Greqia dhe Kleri Ortodoks.
Une si Tosk qe jam vete, te garantoj, se nuk do e nderroja kurre perkatesine etnike time me nje te rreme si ajo greke, sepse qenja shqiptar me nderon dhe me hap syte, kurse duke u pozuar grek, poshterohem e fanatizohem.
Shiko, ato kufij nuk i kam vene une, as greket. Tere autoret evropiane i dallojne ato kufij, edhe vete Shqiptaret. Megjithate me ben cudi reagimi yt. Tregon pasiguri. Kufinj te tille i gjen dhe ne vende te tjera, p.sh. ne Greqi ke kufijte natyrale midis Peloponezit, Sterea Elladhos, Tesalise, Maqedonise, Epirit, Trakes.
Me adreson pikepamje qe nuk i kam. As qe me shkon ndermend ti cilesoj Tosket, Grek.
Jane shume gjera qe koha i ka lene pas, ose ta them me mire i ka mbyllur.
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elikranon wrote:
Zeus10 wrote: Po, pikerisht, sepse tosket, ishin deri ne skajin me jugor te Morese(Peloponezit), kurse ""greket"" ishin nje "race", qe s'ishte race e vertete, por nje rrjet tregetaresh, klerikesh dhe nepunesish qe i gjeje atje ku kishte qendra urbane.
Ne tragjedite Greke, tragjiket kishin ato zgjidhjet "απο μηχανης θεου". Keshtu edhe keto shpjegimet e tua "greket dolen nga makina e zotit".

Paradoksalisht, je ti ai qe po perdor nje 'deus ex machina', duke i shpallur greket nje race, sepse une po them pikerisht te kunderten, qe ata u sajuan si race:

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Zeus10 wrote: Nuk mendoj, se tregon tendenca dashameriesie ne ato qe thua, megjithese ngaterrohesh me vete ne ato qe thua dhe konkludon. Fakti qe ve kufij etnike-gjeografike midis dy klaneve shqiptare dhe mundohesh indirekt, ti shpallesh tosket si greke, eshte nje perpjekje e djallezuar, eshte nje platforme e hershme politiko-shovene e qarqeve greke. Tashme eshte e njohur, perpjekja per shnderrimin e gjithe toskeve ne greke dhe copetimi i trungut shqiptar me dysh, nje perpjekje qe ka deshtuar, sepse shqiptaret e jugut, zgjodhen shqiptarine para prosperitetit dhe mireqenies qe ju ofroi Greqia dhe Kleri Ortodoks.
Une si Tosk qe jam vete, te garantoj, se nuk do e nderroja kurre perkatesine etnike time me nje te rreme si ajo greke, sepse qenja shqiptar me nderon dhe me hap syte, kurse duke u pozuar grek, poshterohem e fanatizohem.
Shiko, ato kufij nuk i kam vene une, as greket. Tere autoret evropiane i dallojne ato kufij, edhe vete Shqiptaret. Megjithate me ben cudi reagimi yt. Tregon pasiguri. Kufinj te tille i gjen dhe ne vende te tjera, p.sh. ne Greqi ke kufijte natyrale midis Peloponezit, Sterea Elladhos, Tesalise, Maqedonise, Epirit, Trakes.
Me adreson pikepamje qe nuk i kam. As qe me shkon ndermend ti cilesoj Tosket, Grek.
Jane shume gjera qe koha i ka lene pas, ose ta them me mire i ka mbyllur.

Ata nuk jane kufij nderetnike i dashur, ata jane kufij klanore, qe perbejne substancen e organizimit te races shqiptare, nje organizim qe e ben kete race unikale dhe ndoshta te vetmen me nje histori etnike ne te gjithe Europen.
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Ansichten über die keltischen Alterthümer
By Christian Keferstein
1848


Iliret (Albaneset sot) qe flasin ende gjuhën e tyre të lashtë jane shumë të fortë, jane njerëz trima .
Albaneset e sotem , eshte e qartë se jane pasardhësit e drejtpërdrejtë të Epirotëve te lashtë dhe ilirëve (të tilla si vllehët, trakët dhe Maqedonet), të cilet kanë ruajtur lirinë dhe gjuhës së tyre ..
Albanset ose Shqiptaret nuk jetojne vetem ne Shqiperi por edhe ne vendet Helene : Thcssaüa, Bocoiia, lvadia, madje edhe Atikë, Elis, Laconica dhe pothuajse e gjithë e Morea, dhe ishujt ngjitur, dhe gjuha e tyre (SiliUv |> i) është e folur nga më shumë se 2 milionë njerëz, madje edhe në Athinën e sotme është një gjykatë e veçantë për të biseduar me ligjin Schipetarisch. Ata formojnë katër fise: a) Geg që jetojnë në veri të Malit të Zi, b) Tosk, , c) Qame, më paqësor dhe më të zellshëm janë për një tregti të tillë si bujqësia, dhe vishen bukur, d ) Llapidcn jetojne ne malet e larta .


Ne gjuhen shqipe ka shume fjale Latine dhe te gjuhes greke te lashte , por ato fjale nuk jane te huazura nga ata por eshte e kunderta "greket e lashte dhe Romaket e huazuan nga Shqiptaret (Iliret), qe per fate te keq eshte shkruar shume pak per keta , por sipas studimeve del qe keshtu eshte e verteta .
Ne vazhdim shkruan edhe per Leken e Filipin , per Himaren si i kane luftuar Turqit si dhe per emrin Alban qe ishte aktiv ne Angli dhe viset tjera .

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elikranon wrote:Autori eshte nje nder te shumtit qe thote ate qe e kane thene dhe shume studiues shqiptare: qe Tosket beheshin me shume me greket sesa me Geget (per marredhenie, martesa etj.
Jo, autoret na e thone te kunderten, Tosket nuk jane perzier me Greket, bile edhe ata Shqiptare qe kane jetuar ne mbreterine Greke dhe ne mesin e Grekeve:


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From: 'A Walk in Hellas' by Denton. J. Snider

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Epiri ashtu sic e njohim:
The inhabitants of Epirus were scarcely considered Hellenic. The population, in early times, had been Pelasgic. The oracle at Dodona was always called Pelasgic, and many names of places in Epirus were also borne by the Pelasgic cities of the opposite coast of Italy. But irruptions of lllyrians had barbarized the whole nation; and though Herodoius speaks of Thesprotia as a part of Hellas, he refers rather to its old condition, when it was a celebrated seat of the Pelasgians, than to its slate at the time when he wrote his history. In their mode of cutting the hair, in their costume, and in their language, the Epirotes resembled the Macedonians, who were an Illyrian tribe.

A system of ancient and mediæval geography for the use of schools and colleges By Charles Anthon

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AlbPelasgian dukesh se po ben gare me mua per citate -bravo- Por ama une jam me i shpejte se ti ;) :D :
There were Epirote (Skipetar) elements in Southern Italy; since several names were common to both sides of the Ionian Sea—Chaones, Molossi, Acheron, Pandosia.
There were Pelasgians (whatever the Pelasgians may have been) also; as is to be inferred from the mention of the slaves of the colonists being so called.

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Pyrrhus, the greatest soldier of his age, was a Shkypetar, and this name was adopted by the people and their ruler about 300 BC Their earliest king is said to have been Hyllus, who lived in 1215 BC

A woman in the Balkans, Winifred Gordon, 1918, p.296
Pasazhi i plote:
Albania was almost unknown to the general world until
the Balkan War of 1913, when she suddenly awoke to find
herself famous, and the centre of a much-disputed sphere of
influence — Montenegrin, Austrian and Italian.

Few travellers had visited the wild beauty of her land,
deterred perhaps by the mistaken idea that the Albanians
were a Turkish race, and the fear of possible brigands. Even
such an authority as Gibbon briefly puts them down as
" a vagrant tribe of shepherds and robbers."

The history of their race dates back — with the ex-
ception of the Basques — further than that of any other
European people, for the Shkypetars, as the Albanians are
called in their own country (meaning sons of the moun-
tain eagle), are the descendants of the Thraco-Illyrian tribes

who occupied the northern portion of Greece when that
country's history was emerging from the mists of legend.


The Albanians allege that it was of them St. Paul spoke
when he said, " Round about and into Illyricum I have
fully preached the gospel of Christ." Pyrrhus, the greatest
soldier of his age, was a Shkypetar, and this name was
adopted by the people and their ruler about 300 B.C.

Their earliest king is said to have been Hyllus, who
lived in 1215 B.C. From this time on the coast and valley
lands were swept by hordes of invaders, the Celts, Goths,
Romans, Serbs, Bulgars and Turks.

The original and ancient race — fleeing to the uncon-
quered mountains, where they preserved their primitive
speech and customs
— have been overrun and submerged
time after time, but have never failed to rise again, and
like the Montenegrin, have in their stem qualities of ten-
acity and stubborn endurance justified their right to the
possession of the grim mountainous land occupied by them
for centuries.


For five hundred years Montenegro resisted the Turk,



A LAND OF DEFIANCE. 297

but the Albanian struggled for over a thousand years, and
though his land was overrun and ruled time after time,
he onty retired deeper into his moimtain fastnesses and
refused to be conquered.

It was not until about the twelfth century that the
country became kno\vn under the name of Albania, when
the Normans, under Robert Guiscard, after defeating the
Emperor Alexius Commenus at Durazzo, marched to
Elbassar, then called Albanopolis, and his troops, finding
the name too difficult to pronounce, called the country,
of which it was the capital, Albania.

The Serbs did not cross the Danube until the sixth
century, and the Bulgars until the seventh century, a.d.,
whereas the Shkypetars had lived then in their mountain
fastnesses for over a thousand years.

There has never been any love lost between the Albanian
and the Slav. They are both fearless fighters, but the
Albanian remembers how the ancient Serbian Empire
swallowed up his land, and likes him not as a neighbour.

Their last conqueror was the Turk, who ruled them
for four centuries by means of oppression, chicanery and
cruelty ; a course which prevented all development on the
part of the people, all education or progress towards civili-
zation, and only plunged them more deeply into poverty,
superstition and bloodthirstiness. The Turk left his van-
quished countries to rot, frustrating all attempts at advance,
and keeping them to the level of the dark ages. Their
country certainly was conquered, and the Turk endeavoured
by means of the bastinado and the bullet to crush them,
but he never succeeded in subduing their untamable spirit,
and finally he was forced to humour them. The tribesmen
of the mountain districts were permitted a kind of practical
independence, and the privilege of retaining their arms,
their tribal laws and customs, while the remainder of the
country was governed by Pashas from the Porte.

That relentless despot, Abdul Hamid, who lived in
perpetual fear of assassination, picked the fiercest of these
mountain warriors to form his celebrated body-guard at
Constantinople, and once they had taken the oath of
allegiance to him, they constituted the most trusted ad-
herents throughout his army.

The natural abilities of the race are above the average,
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298 A WOMAN IN THE BALKANS.

and, given the advantage of education, they quickly de-
velop. Some of the cleverest and most distinguished civil
and military officials and Pashas in the Ottoman service,
both in the past as well as the present, have been Albanians.
Admiral Miaoulis, Ferid Pasha,* several times Grand Vizier
to the Sultan Abdul Hamid, Crispi, the Italian statesman,
and the former Khedive of Egypt were aU of Albanian
extraction.

Albania's one great national hero was George Castriot,
the famous Skanderberg, who lived in the fourteenth cen-
tury. He devoted his life to the great ideal of trying to
unify the different warring tribes, so as to form a combined
front against the invader, but died before his aim was
achieved, after fighting and winning twenty-one battles
against the Turk. Even Mahomet II., the Conqueror, was
defeated at Croja in 1465 by this intrepid leader.

But he left no successor to carry on the twofold struggle
towards national unity and liberation of the people from
the dominion of the Turk, and the Albanians, without a
leader, and rent again by the old system of tribal jealousy
of each other, relapsed once more into sullen defiant sur-
render to the invader.

The Albanian of the present day is one of the most
indomitable as well as picturesque personalities in Europe,
and interesting as are his traits and customs, his political
future is even more so. His individualism is extraordinarily
developed : had this not been so, he would have been
submerged long ago, under the successive waves of invasion
his country has had to endure.

Though cursed by backwardness, ignorance and poverty,
the Albanians are at last beginning to perceive the necessity
of a national unity. The course of recent events has,
however, not been favourable to this end.

With the advent to power of the Young Turk party in
1909 a unique opportunity presented itself for the apph-
cation of those liberal principles of freedom and progress
by which their party was supposed to be animated.

The chance was ready to their hand to propitiate the

* Ferid Pasha was Grand Vizier to the Sultan several times during the
Old Regime, and was Minister of the Interior under the New Regime. He
died onh' a few montlis ago, bitterly disappointed at the part his country
was playing in the war.



A LAND OF DEFIANCE. 299

Albanian people by inaugurating a better system of govern-
ment, reforms, the fulfilment of the promise of national
education, and a certain manifestation of sympathy towards
an ignorant but splendidly courageous and potentially
capable people.

If the Young Turk party had been sagacious enough
to deal with this crucial problem wisely and justly, they
might have succeeded in making of Albania a great centre
of Ottoman strength, a barrier against Western aggression,
and with the institution of these reforms a large measure
of national cohesion would have been achieved.

For we must remember that the tribal principle and
jealousy of one another which prevailed so extensively in
Albania has engendered a general mistrust which can only
be removed very gradually, and which has so far effectually
prevented anything in the nature of national unity.

But the Young Turks were ruthless, and started the
policy of a steam-roller government, thinking they could
by brutal repression bring this race to the level of their
Armenian subjects, massacred and tortured into submission
in Asia Minor.

Again and again the tribes rose up in futile rebellion—
the brave but desperate attempts of a disunited people
to free themselves.

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(As seen by George Finlay, History of the Greek Revolution, 1851, pp. 47-49)

The history of the Greek Revolution would often be obscure unless the importance of the Albanian element, which pervaded military society in the Othoman empire, is fully appreciated. A trifling but striking mark of the high position which the Albanians had gained was exhibited by the general adoption of their dress. Though a strong antipathy to the Mussulman Albanians had been always felt by the Othoman Turks, towards the end of the last century they began to pay an involuntary homage to the warlike reputation of the Albanian mercenaries. It became then not uncommon, in Greece and Macedonia, to see the children of the proudest Osmanlees dressed in the fustinello, or white kilt of the Tosks. Subsequently, when Veli Pasha, the second son of Ali of Joannina, governed the Morea(Veli was pasha of Morea from 1807 to 1812), even young Greeks of rank ventured to assume this dress, particularly when travelling, as it afforded them an opportunity of wearing arms. The Greek armatoli and the Christians employed as police-guards, even in the Morea, also wore this dress; but it was the fame of the Albanians—for the military reputation of the armatoli was then on the decline and that of the Suliots on the ascendant—which induced the modern Greeks to adopt the Albanian kilt as their national costume. It is in consequence of this admiration of Albanianism that the court of King Otho assumes its melo-dramatic aspect, and glitters in tawdry tinsel mimicry of the rich and splendid garb which arrested the attention of Childe Harold in the galleries of the palace of Tepelin; but the calico fustinello hangs round the legs of the Greeks like a paper petticoat, while the white kilt of the Tosk, formed of a strong product of native looms, fell in the graceful folds of antique drapery.

The relations of Mussulman and Christian Albanians were much more friendly than the relations of Albanians and Turks. The Albanian, unlike the Greek, felt the bonds of nationality stronger than those of religion. The hostile feelings with which he regarded the Othomans originated in the tyranny of Turkish pashas and the avarice of Turkish voevodes, cadis, and moolahs. Against the oppression of these aliens the natives, whether Mussulmans or Christians, had for many generations acted in common.

On the other hand, where orthodox Albanians and Greeks dwelt together, as in a considerable portion of southern Epirus, their common lot as Christians exposed them to the same exactions, and effaced the distinction of race. The obstinacy of the Albanian and the cunning of the Greek were employed for the same object, and exhibited themselves more as individual peculiarities than as national characteristics.

Such was the position of the Albanian race in Greece where its settlements were comparatively modern. In its native regions its political importance and moral influence had been constantly increasing during the latter half of the last century, and it had attained the acme of its power at the commencement of the Greek Eevolution. In Albania a considerable proportion of the population had embraced the Mohammedan religion; but the Albanian Mussulmans were detested by Osmanlees and hated by the Greeks. Their religion was hardly a matter of conscience with the majority. They were less bigoted than the Turks, and less superstitious than the Greeks. Their avarice was, however, insatiable, and for gold an Albanian Mussulman would willingly serve a Christian master, or a Christian Albanian a Mussulman chief, even if the service was to be rendered in deeds of blood.
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Hipoteze:

Po nisem nga ky shkrim i shkeputur nga libri .
"Archaeologia Graeca : or, The Antiquities of Greece (1775)
Author: Potter, John, 1673 or 4-1747

Ku kam shkeputur kete pjese:

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Pra nga autore te shumte te lashtesise dhe jo, saktesisht nuk dime ende ku ndodhet Dodona edhe pse sot me teper studiuesit thone se ajo gjendet ne Cameri. Ne mos gaboj nje kontradikt tjeter eshte edhe si eshte paraqitur Dodona nga te lashtet, ku thuhet qe ka qene jo shume larg nga deti (gati 80 apo 100 km) si dhe ka pasur ujera te medha, qe ndoshta kemi te bejme me burime natyrore?

Po le te vazhdojme me tej me citimet shkeputur nga ky liber:

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Po sikur Selloi, qe shkruan Homeri dhe ritheksuar edhe nga Eustathi te kish te bente me nje popullsi diku aty afer Gjirokastres sot?
Ne citimin me siper te autorit permendet edhe nje lum i lashte quajtur "Ephyra"

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Po sikur te kemi te bejme me nje ambient, gjeografikisht dhe historikisht, qe i ngjan teper burimeve si me poshte:

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...ku ndoshta fjala Sylintus, pra ata qe kane prejardhjen ne keto ane, u vetequajten keshtu pasi magjia e ketij Burimi qe formon nje lum te konsiderueshem ne kete zone quajtur Bistrice (Ephyre?) rrjedh ne kembet e nje mali te lart quajtur Mali i Gjere (Tomaros?):

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kufijte e sakte te fiseve kaone, Thesprote dhe Molose ende nuk i dime, por dime qe Hyllinet (apo Syllionet=Ku lind Syri apo ku lind Zias, Dias) ishin fqinje me Bylinet dhe Bylis nuk eshte larg prej aty...
...sipas S. Bizantit (Epirotica):

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dhe Sylax of Caryandia:

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Dhe interesant eshte gjithashtu legjenda e atij dragoi, prej syrit te te cilit vazhdon jeta dhe pasardhesit e Jelimeve te lashte, gjinden po ne te njejtin vend.
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