"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto ▬ Skanderbeg, October 31 1460

EPIRI - PERKATESIA E TIJ SHQIPTARE

Këtu mund të flisni mbi historinë tonë duke sjellë fakte historike për ndriçimin e asaj pjese të historisë mbi të cilen ka rënë harresa e kohës dhe e njerëzve.
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Pirro me Plis (Qeleshe) ne koke?

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Qyteti i "Eurese", "Uria" apo "HYRJA" prane Maleve te Vetetimave (Akroqerauneve) ka qene banuar nga Iliret, te njejtit qe bashke me Kretezet shkuan ne Salento (Itali) dhe krijuan po me te njejtin emer qytetin e lashte Mesap te "HYRJA".

Duke u nisur nga ky shkrim si me poshte:

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Martyrologium Romanum Gregorii XIII, Pont Max. Iussu editum & ... - Pagina 235
Augustin Lubin - 1661

Autori e quan kete qender Peshkopale te Epirit Mesdhetar, me emrin "Evorea & Euoria" ose "EURIA" dhe e vendos prane maleve Akroqeraune.

Nje qender e rendesishme ka qene qyteti i lashte i Orikumit (Vlore), ku per mendimin tim ndoshta kemi te bejme me kete toponim qe sjell autori, ku ndryshe eshte quajtur edhe "ORICI" ne latinisht (Pompeius, cognitis his rebus quae gestae erant Orici atque Apolloniae, de salute suorum qui Dyrrachii erant valde timens, diurnis nocturnisque itineribus eo contendit.)

Duke pare me vemendje nje harte te fillimit te shek 20 me titull :-Cartina del sud Italia in epoca augustea-Harta e Italise se Jugut te epokes augustiane-

Nje dyndje apo emigrim i tille mund te kete qene kjo, si dhe te kemi parasysh qe gjate emigrimeve te popullsive te ndryshme ata gati perhere ku jane ngulitur kane dhene emrat e vendeve nga kishin prejardhjen:

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Por gjeja me interesante qe na konfirmon lidhur Iliricitetit (te citimit fig .1 me lart) te ketij vendbanimi na vjen edhe prej nje autori tjeter te lashtesise pikerisht prej:
Verrio Flacco, Verrius Flaccus (... – ...), è stato un grammatico romano, vissuto tra la fine del I secolo a.C. e l'inizio del successivo (una datazione 50 a.C. – 20 sembra molto verosimile).

Qe e hasim ne studimin "L'Adriatico greco: culti e miti minori
Di Benedetta Rossignoli"

Ku pikerisht ne faqen 288 gjejme kete citim:

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Pra Verrio Flacco, duke ju referuar Festo (Sesto Pompeo Festo (latino: Sextus Pompeius Festus; fl II secolo; ... – ...) è stato un grammatico romano.) thote se "Salentinet moren emrin e tyre prej detit, dhe ishin Kretan dhe Ilire , te cilet ne det kishin bere miqesi me Lokret..."
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Dodona ne Kaoni?

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Sylvarum lib. V; XII; Achilleidos lib. II. Notis selectissimis in Sylvarum ...
Di Publius Papinius Statius

(Publius Papinius Statius (ca. 45, Naples – ca. 96 AD, Naples) was a Roman poet of the 1st century CE (Silver Age of Latin literature).
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nese do me lejosh te bej nje saktesim !

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tempulli i Zeusit te Dodones...Jovis eshte emertimi me i vjeter romak i Jupiterit=Zeusit....nje emertim i ringjallur ne italishten e sotme, Giove.
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- Henry Noel Brailsford
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po, ne Kaonia thuhet ne tekst.

dhe ja c'thote historiani romak Appian per Kaonian
The Roman historian, Appian, mentions Chaonia as the southern border in his description and geography of Illyria.
Important cities in Chaonia included Chimaera (modern Himarë), Buthrotum, Phoenice, Panormos, Onchesmus (today Saranda) and Antigonia.
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land wrote:nese do me lejosh te bej nje saktesim !

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tempulli i Zeusit te Dodones...Jovis eshte emertimi me i vjeter romak i Jupiterit=Zeusit....nje emertim i ringjallur ne italishten e sotme, Giove.

"In Chaonia regione, qua pars est Epiri Dodonei Jovis Templum esse Dicitur"

Ndoshta poerkthimi me i sakte do ishte:

"Ne krahinen e Kaonise, e cila eshte pjese e Epirit, (gjendet?---nuk ka arsye te permend Kaonine), tempulli i Dodona Giove quhet.."
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Le ti kthehemi edhe njehere librit te Shtate te Strabonit, kopjuar e perkthyer (latinisht) nga Isaac Casaubon si dhe Wilhelm Xylander:

Shkeputur prej librit:

"Strabōnos Geōgraphikōn Bibloi 17: Isaacvs Casavbonvs recensuit, summoque ...
Di Strabo,Isaac Casaubon,Wilhelm Xylander"


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Po sikur...disa gjera te jene thene apo vazhdojne te thuhen ne menyre te pavertet?

OMPHALIUM (OMFAL)---ne Epir, sikurse Dodona ne Kaoni?

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Notitia episcopatuum orbis christiani: in qua Christianae ...

Aubertus Miraeus, Guido Bentivoglio (cardinal) - 1613

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Toponime interesante ne harten :"1865 Spruner Map of Greece, Epirus after the Persian War"

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Duke kerkuar disa informacione lidhur ketij toponimi te lashte, nder mend se pari me erdhi si autor S. Bizanti qe permend "HYLLIONET", te cilet i permend si fqinje apo afer Byllineve, nje gje te tille e permend Skylax i Karyandia si dhe ky emertim permendet edhe nga Schymni, por le te shohim e te imitojme kete harte duke bere nje kerkim ne Google earth dhe te vendosim "ELAEUS" e dikurshem ne harte ku per mendimin tim kemi te bejme me "PALOKASTREN" qe ndodhet midis Tepelenes (HECATOMPEDUM) dhe Gjirokastres (ARGYRUM):
(Lidhur "Hecatompedum", Cramer shkruan:
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pra:
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Diçka tjeter interesante lidhur "Elaeus" na jep edhe A. Cramer ne librin e tij :
"A geographical and historical description of ancient Greece: with ..., Volume 1"

Ku nder te tjerash shkruan:
" Hadrianopolis, apparently built in the reign of

Hadrian, is said by Procopius to have borne subsequently the appellation of Justinianopolis, (loc. cit.) but we find it noticed under the former name by Hierocles, (p. 651.) and in the Table Itinerary, which places it fifty-five miles from Amantia to the southeast, and twenty-four from a place beyond named Ilio, on the road to Nicopolis. It is clear from the description here given of its situation, that we must look for Hadrianopolis somewhat to the south of Argyro Castro or Antigonea; and this opinion is confirmed by what Mr. Hughes observed in his Travels through Epirus. " On the western side of the " valley, (of Argyro Castro,} nearly opposite Li" bochovo, and at no great distance from the river " Druno, the ruins of a small Roman theatre, with " a few vestiges of other ancient foundations, were " pointed out, upon a spot designated by the name " of Drinopolis, an evident corruption of Hadriano" polisn."

There can be little doubt that the Ilio of the Table answers to the Elaeus of Ptolemy, classed by that geographer (p. 85.) among the inland towns of Chaonia. The Itinerary reckons twenty-four miles between this place and Hadrianopolis; and at about the same distance we find in modern maps a village called
Selio
, at the foot of the chain which closes

m Geogr. t, VII. p. C5 I. " Vol. II. p. 236.

the valley of Argyro Castro and Deboinako to the south. I am inclined to think that this part of the plain is the Campus Eleon of Livy. (XLIII. 23.)

(Ku Deboinako eshte fusha e Dropullit-shen. im)

Por le te hulumtojme me tej dhe te kerkojme kete emer fshati quajtur "Selio" qe na sjell Cramer. Mendimi im eshte se Cramer i referohet vendit quajtur GLINE poshte Libohoves ne Gjirokaster:

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Pa tjeter ne se e quajme "GLINE" apo "JELINE", u ngelet gjuhetarve te merren me shnderrimet e fjaleve qe jane bere neper kohera, por ujrat e GLINES kane ekzistuar edhe tre mije apo pese mije vjet me pare dhe aty banonin ato fise te moçme, qe u dynden ne Peleponez. Ne se JELINET e lashte jane stergjysherit e çameve ai vend eshte Cameri!

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Por le te vazhdojme me tej e te shohim ne kete harte:

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Kemi toponimin apo emrtimin e lshte (interesant do shtoja) "OMPHALIUM", ku po te kerkonim vendndodhjen e tij duke kerkuar te imitojme harten, sipas Google Earth kemi diçka te tille:

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Ku Cramer ne librin e tij shton:

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Ku ketu ne se me lejoni do te shtoja nje shkrimin tim te meparshem po ne kete teme lidhur Ujrave ne kete zone, Syrit te Kalter dhe legjendave shqiptare:

""Archaeologia Graeca : or, The Antiquities of Greece (1775)
Author: Potter, John, 1673 or 4-1747

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Pra nga autore te shumte te lashtesise dhe jo, saktesisht nuk dime ende ku ndodhet Dodona edhe pse sot me teper studiuesit thone se ajo gjendet ne Cameri. Ne mos gaboj nje kontradikt tjeter eshte edhe si eshte paraqitur Dodona nga te lashtet, ku thuhet qe ka qene jo shume larg nga deti (gati 80 apo 100 km) si dhe ka pasur ujera te medha, qe ndoshta kemi te bejme me burime natyrore?

Po le te vazhdojme me tej me citimet shkeputur nga ky liber:

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Po sikur Selloi, qe shkruan Homeri dhe ritheksuar edhe nga Eustathi te kish te bente me nje popullsi diku aty afer Gjirokastres sot?
Ne citimin me siper te autorit permendet edhe nje lum i lashte quajtur "Ephyra"

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Po sikur te kemi te bejme me nje ambient, gjeografikisht dhe historikisht, qe i ngjan teper burimeve si me poshte:

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...ku ndoshta fjala Sylintus, pra ata qe kane prejardhjen ne keto ane, u vetequajten keshtu pasi magjia e ketij Burimi qe formon nje lum te konsiderueshem ne kete zone quajtur Bistrice (Ephyre?) rrjedh ne kembet e nje mali te lart quajtur Mali i Gjere (Tomaros?):
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kufijte e sakte te fiseve kaone, Thesprote dhe Molose ende nuk i dime, por dime qe Hyllinet (apo Syllionet=Ku lind Syri apo ku lind Zias, Dias) ishin fqinje me Bylinet dhe Bylis nuk eshte larg prej aty...
...sipas S. Bizantit (Epirotica):
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dhe Sylax of Caryandia:

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Dhe interesant eshte gjithashtu legjenda e atij dragoi, prej syrit te te cilit vazhdon jeta dhe pasardhesit e Jelimeve te lashte, gjinden po ne te njejtin vend.

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OMPHALIUM....ndoshta Dodona e Lashte?
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Supplementum supplementi delle croniche del ... padre Iacobo ...

Jacopo Filippo da Bergamo - 1535

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...ku ndoshta sot ky tekst do u duhej Himarjoteve "grek" si quheshin Malsoret Shqiptar te Himares ne shek 16:

Delle Istorie Del Suo Tempo: Con una Selva, annotationi di varia ...

Paolo Giovio, Lodovico Domenichi - 1565

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"...piu che gli altri, Montanari Albanesi, i quali habitano nel monte della Cimera di impeto a Corfu=me teper se te tjeret, Malsoret Shqiptar, te cilet banojne ne malin e Himares qe shfaqet perdrejt Korfuzit"
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Gezimit te kesaj nate (fitorja e shkelqyer e Kombetares) ia shtove edhe nje tjeter me te madh permes zbardhjes se ketij dokumenti me plot vlere, o shqipe e Mallakastres -winer- -bravo-

Sa keq qe nuk e kam email adresen ose adresen e baneses se Vasil Bollanos ne menyre qe t'i nisja me zarf permes postes kete dokument te hartuar nen diktatin e nacionalisteve shqiptar ;) ;)
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Faleminderit Albpelasgian, por interesant eshte fakti qe edhe autori tjeter me poshte ndan te njejtin mendim me P. Giovio & L. Domenichi dhe quhet
Giovanni Lorenzo d' Anania - ku ne vitin 1576 publikoi vepren -"L' universale fabrica del mondo "-e nder te tjera na sjell kete deshmi interesante:

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"...si scopreno apresso gli Albanesi le Montagne della Cimera=zbulohen(shfaqen) prane Shqiptareve malet e Himares.."
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"Supplementum supplementi delle croniche del ... padre Iacobo ..."

Jacopo Filippo da Bergamo - 1535

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"...dal quale certi populi furono chiamati Molossi, dopo Epyrii e al presente Albanesi= prej te ciles disa popuj u quajten Molose, me mbas Epirote dhe ne te tashmen (tani) Shqiptar..."
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