"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto ▬ Skanderbeg, October 31 1460

EPIRI - PERKATESIA E TIJ SHQIPTARE

Këtu mund të flisni mbi historinë tonë duke sjellë fakte historike për ndriçimin e asaj pjese të historisë mbi të cilen ka rënë harresa e kohës dhe e njerëzve.

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Stradiotet?! Eh i kemi harruar si ca...

Stradiotet jane nje pike tjeter e dobet e propagandes bizantine, prandaj s'eshte edhe aq e cuditshme pse studiues te moderuar grek (si puna e N. Pappas) mundohet qe ne saje te shoshitjes se emrave te stradioteve, t'i nxjerre 80% shqiptare dhe 20% greke. Shqiptaret qe sherbenin si stradiote anekend Evropes vinin nga Shqiperia bregdetare qe perfshinte tere Jugun prej Himares e gjer ne More. Ata jane pos te tjerash edhe nje pasqyre ne miniature e perbamjes etnografike te "Eladhes" se shek. XVIII, apo jo?

"A third variety of light horse still in high estimation were the Stradiotes or Albanians, which in our commentaries on the Italian wars, we have noticed as first employed by the Venetians. A body of these Albanians (Epiroti) are mentioned by Strada in his enumeration of the original army which Alva led out of Italy into the Low-Countries.

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E hodha kete postim tek tema per Epirin sebep frazes se nenvizuar 'Albanians (Epiroti)'. Perndryshe, do te ishte mire qe dy postimet e fundit (ky dhe tjetri siper i Mallakastriotit) te kopjoheshin edhe tek tema e pervecme per Stradiotet!
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"Breve descrittione del mondo"

Lilio Zaccheria - 1551

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"EPIRI eshte nje province e Europes, qe eshte quajtur me emer tjeter Molos(i)a, & sot quhet Shqiperia. E njejta kjo eshte quajtur Kaonia nga Kaoni vellai i Jelinit. Ka shume, qe perkrahin (tezen), qe ajo ka marr kete emer nga Pirro biri i Herkulit dhe Deidamese, i cili ishte Mbreti i Epirit. Tani nga ana e Veriut SHQIPERIA kufizohet nga Maqedonia, nga ana e Lindjes nga Morea, & ana qe eshte drejt Perendimit nga deti Jon....
...Ka ne Shqiperi nje burim te shenjte, qe ka ujin shume te ftohte siper gjithe ujrave te tjera, dhe ne se ndodh ku dikush eshte zhytur brenda nje flake e nxehte e shuan, dhe ne se nga ana tjeter zhytet i shuar i nxehte ndizet (?)
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"Cornucopiae"

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Sancti Gregorii papae primi. Opera in tres tomos distributa.
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Te gjithe shkruesit mesjetare, bien dakord, qe Epiri eshte nje territor, qe
1. Kufizohet me Greqine
2. Quhet Albani

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Gjithe librat mesjetare, pasi pershkruajne Epirin sipas mitologjise(lexo perrallave te te kaluares), nuk harrojne te theksojne, qe Epiri tani(ne Mesjete) quhej Shqiperi(Albani).
Ja ku eshte nje fjalor me terma te Greqishtes:
Thesauros tes ellenikes glosses
botim i vitit 1572
me autor Henri Estienne
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ku autori thekson, qe Epiri perkthehet Albani sot(atehere):

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Eshte e rendesishme te themi, qe disa autore mesjetare, i identifikojne iliret me shqiptaret, bile ata shkruajne:
ne kujtesen e stergjysheve tane kjo toke eshte quajtur Albani dhe termi Iliri nuk perdoret me:
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Ne po te njejtin liber, hiqet cdo medyshje per prejardhjen e Epiroteve apo sic therriten ndryshe Albanet. Ata jane nga popujt fisnike te Italise dhe nga popujt e Kolkides:

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"Breve, et vniversale cronistoria del mondo creato sino all' anno ... "
Timoteo da Termini - 1669



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Pra ai qe quhej "mare di Actio=deti i Aktios" ishte pjese e asaj qe quhej "Arbania"

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Zeus & Mallakastrioti,

Meqe shume prej librave kaq te arrire i takojne shekujve XV, XVI e me vone, do te ishte qe kerkimi te perqendrohej edhe ne keto fjale kyçe: Leka i Madh, Pirro, shqiptaret.

Kjo eshte tejet e rendesishme sidomos per te provuar faktin qe Leka i Madh ashtu sikurse edhe Pirroja pranohej prej te huajve, natyrshem si pjese e shqiptareve. Poashtu edhe shqiptaret e kesaj kohe i ndjenin keta trima, si pjese te trashegimise se tyre. Pra, kjo ndodhte shume me perpara sesa te fillonte "nacionalizmi"...
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L'histoire de l'Epire ne nous est connue que par les auteurs grecs,c-à-d par des étrangers.
Il ne faut donc pas se fier à ce qu'ils racontent d'un pays qu'ils traitaient de barbare et dont ils ne connaissaient ni la langue ni les moeurs.

Burimi:Histoire de l'Albanie -Père Jean-claude Faveyrial -1884-1889

Përkthimi im:
Historia e Epirit na asht ba e njoftun vetëm prej autorëve grek dmth prej të huejve.
Nuk duhet pra me u zanë besë se çfar tregojnë ata për nji vend të cilin e cilësojshin si barbar dhe prej të cilit nuk njifshin as gjuhën dhe as zakonet.
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"EPIRI REGINA"

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Ne pershkrimin e Botes, ne librin e tij :
"Della fabrica del mondo",

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te vitit 1562 autori italian Francesco Alunno, e identifikon Albanine me Epirin, duke kopjuar tekstet e shumte latine, qe gjithashtu ne menyre te nderkembyeshme kuptojne me Albani gjithe Epirin:

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Mos valle luftrat qe permend Homeri jane bere ne ndonje vend tjeter, apo mos valle kemi te bejme me trojanet qe u "shperngulen" dhe u vendosen ne Epir dhe Iliri?

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