EPIRI - PERKATESIA E TIJ SHQIPTARE

[Zeus10]

Jo mallakastrioti, asnjegje e paditur, thjesht jane vargjet e Homerit 16.233

Ζεῦ ἄνα Δωδωναῖε Πελασγικὲ τηλόθι ναίων
Δωδώνης μεδέων δυσχειμέρου, ἀμφὶ δὲ Σελλοὶ
σοὶ ναίουσ' ὑποφῆται ἀνιπτόποδες χαμαιεῦναι,
ἠμὲν δή ποτ' ἐμὸν ἔπος ἔκλυες εὐξαμένοιο,
τίμησας μὲν ἐμέ, μέγα δ' ἴψαο λαὸν Ἀχαιῶν,
ἠδ' ἔτι καὶ νῦν μοι τόδ' ἐπικρήηνον ἐέλδωρ:
αὐτὸς μὲν γὰρ ἐγὼ μενέω νηῶν ἐν ἀγῶνι,
ἀλλ' ἕταρον πέμπω πολέσιν μετὰ Μυρμιδόνεσσι
μάρνασθαι: τῷ κῦδος ἅμα πρόες* εὐρύοπα Ζεῦ,

kurse poshte saj diskutohet per prurjen e Dionisit te Halikarnasit per orakullin e tempullit te Aresit.

[Zeus10]

...jam duke buzeqeshur sepse gjeta diçka me te vertet interesante:

Ky eshte vetem nje koment, mbi deshmine e Herodotit ne librin 2.2, ku dukshem duket se populli me i lashte ne bote, friget, sipas vleresimit te egjyptianeve, nuk i thoshin bukes shume me ndryshe nga ne shqiptaret sot:

Now the Egyptians, before the time when Psammetichos became king over them, were wont to suppose that they had come into being first of all men; but since the time when Psammetichos having become king desired to know what men had come into being first, they suppose that the Phrygians came into being before themselves, but they themselves before all other men. Now Psammetichos, when he was not able by inquiry to find out any means of knowing who had come into being first of all men, contrived a device of the following kind:--Taking two new- born children belonging to persons of the common sort he gave them to a shepherd to bring up at the place where his flocks were, with a manner of bringing up such as I shall say, charging him namely that no man should utter any word in their presence, and that they should be placed by themselves in a room where none might come, and at the proper time he should bring to them she-goats, and when he had satisfied them with milk he should do for them whatever else was needed. These things Psammetichos did and gave him this charge wishing to hear what word the children would let break forth first, after they had ceased from wailings without sense. And accordingly so it came to pass; for after a space of two years had gone by, during which the shepherd went on acting so, at length, when he opened the door and entered, both the children fell before him in entreaty and uttered the word bekos, stretching forth their hands. At first when he heard this the shepherd kept silence; but since this word was often repeated, as he visited them constantly and attended to them, at last he declared the matter to his master, and at his command he brought the children before his face. Then Psammetichos having himself also heard it, began to inquire about what nation of men named anything bekos, and inquiring he found that the Phrygians had this name for bread. In this manner and guided by an indication such as this, the Egyptians were brought to allow that the Phrygians were a more ancient people than themselves.

οἱ δὲ Αἰγύπτιοι, πρὶν μὲν ἢ Ψαμμήτιχον σφέων βασιλεῦσαι, ἐνόμιζον ἑωυτοὺς πρώτους γενέσθαι πάντων ἀνθρώπων· ἐπειδὴ δὲ Ψαμμήτιχος βασιλεύσας ἠθέλησε εἰδέναι οἵτινες γενοίατο πρῶτοι, ἀπὸ τούτου νομίζουσι Φρύγας προτέρους γενέσθαι ἑωυτῶν, τῶν δὲ ἄλλων ἑωυτούς. Ψαμμήτιχος δὲ ὡς οὐκ ἐδύνατο πυνθανόμενος πόρον οὐδένα τούτου ἀνευρεῖν, οἳ γενοίατο πρῶτοι ἀνθρώπων, ἐπιτεχνᾶται τοιόνδε. παιδία δύο νεογνὰ ἀνθρώπων τῶν ἐπιτυχόντων δίδωσι ποιμένι τρέφειν ἐς τὰ ποίμνια τροφήν τινα τοιήνδε, ἐντειλάμενος μηδένα ἀντίον αὐτῶν μηδεμίαν φωνὴν ἱέναι, ἐν στέγῃ δὲ ἐρήμῃ ἐπ᾽ ἑωυτῶν κέεσθαι αὐτά, καὶ τὴν ὥρην ἐπαγινέειν σφι αἶγας, πλήσαντα δὲ γάλακτος τἆλλα διαπρήσσεσθαι· ταῦτα δὲ ἐποίεέ τε καὶ ἐνετέλλετο Ψαμμήτιχος θέλων ἀκοῦσαι τῶν παιδίων, ἀπαλλαχθέντων τῶν ἀσήμων κνυζημάτων, ἥντινα φωνὴν ῥήξουσι πρώτην· τά περ ὦν καὶ ἐγένετο. ὡς γὰρ διέτης χρόνος ἐγεγόνεε ταῦτα τῷ ποιμένι πρήσσοντι, ἀνοίγοντι τὴν θύρην καὶ ἐσιόντι τὰ παιδία ἀμφότερα προσπίπτοντα βεκὸς ἐφώνεον, ὀρέγοντα τὰς χεῖρας. τὰ μὲν δὴ πρῶτα ἀκούσας ἥσυχος ἦν ὁ ποιμήν· ὡς δὲ πολλάκις φοιτέοντι καὶ ἐπιμελομένῳ πολλὸν ἦν τοῦτο τὸ ἔπος, οὕτω δὴ σημήνας τῷ δεσπότῃ ἤγαγε τὰ παιδία κελεύσαντος ἐς ὄψιν τὴν ἐκείνου. ἀκούσας δὲ καὶ αὐτὸς ὁ Ψαμμήτιχος ἐπυνθάνετο οἵτινες ἀνθρώπων βεκός τι καλέουσι, πυνθανόμενος δὲ εὕρισκε Φρύγας καλέοντας τὸν ἄρτον. οὕτω συνεχώρησαν Αἰγύπτιοι καὶ τοιούτῳ σταθμησάμενοι πρήγματι τοὺς Φρύγας πρεσβυτέρους εἶναι ἑωυτῶν. ὧδε μὲν γενέσθαι τῶν ἱρέων τοῦ Ἡφαίστου τοῦ ἐν Μέμφι ἤκουον· Ἕλληνες δὲ λέγουσι ἄλλα τε μάταια πολλὰ καὶ ὡς γυναικῶν τὰς γλώσσας ὁ Ψαμμήτιχος ἐκταμὼν τὴν δίαιταν οὕτω ἐποιήσατο τῶν παίδων παρὰ ταύτῃσι τῇσι γυναιξί.

[Mallakastrioti]

Jo mallakastrioti, asnjegje e paditur, thjesht jane vargjet e Homerit 16.233

Ζεῦ ἄνα Δωδωναῖε Πελασγικὲ τηλόθι ναίων
Δωδώνης μεδέων δυσχειμέρου, ἀμφὶ δὲ Σελλοὶ
σοὶ ναίουσ' ὑποφῆται ἀνιπτόποδες χαμαιεῦναι,
ἠμὲν δή ποτ' ἐμὸν ἔπος ἔκλυες εὐξαμένοιο,
τίμησας μὲν ἐμέ, μέγα δ' ἴψαο λαὸν Ἀχαιῶν,
ἠδ' ἔτι καὶ νῦν μοι τόδ' ἐπικρήηνον ἐέλδωρ:
αὐτὸς μὲν γὰρ ἐγὼ μενέω νηῶν ἐν ἀγῶνι,
ἀλλ' ἕταρον πέμπω πολέσιν μετὰ Μυρμιδόνεσσι
μάρνασθαι: τῷ κῦδος ἅμα πρόες* εὐρύοπα Ζεῦ,

kurse poshte saj diskutohet per prurjen e Dionisit te Halikarnasit per orakullin e tempullit te Aresit.

Faleminderit Zeus...po ajo fjala e nenevizuar ka te beje gje me fjalen "DRU"-dhe a ka ndonje kuptim ne shqip ne qofte se do kerkojme ta analizojme?

[Zeus10]

Faleminderit Zeus...po ajo fjala e nenevizuar ka te beje gje me fjalen "DRU"-dhe a ka ndonje kuptim ne shqip ne qofte se do kerkojme ta analizojme?

Ajo ka pikerisht kuptimin qe ne kemi per te fjalen dru qe perdoret per drurin ose pemen. Si ne shume raste te tjera, greket e vjeter ndajne te njejtin fjalor me ne shqiptaret:



Pyetja shtrohet ku u gjeten ne gjuhen e sotme shqipe kaq shum fjale te perbashketa me gjuhen e grekeve te vjeter?

[Mallakastrioti]

Il devotissimo viaggio di Gierusalemme: fatto, e descritto in sei libri‎...
Jean Zuallart - 1595




Himarjotet na i beri te ardhur nga Azia ky miku ketu ore...thote jane debuar nga Shiitet nga Azia dhe erdhen dhe u vendosen ketu,pastaj thote jane Shqiptar te krishtere dhe Italianet i quajne Stradiote dhe ne(duke i referuar Perendimit) i quajme Shqiptar ose Grek...ec e merri vesh si i benin lemsh gjerat edhe ne mesjete keta me keq se sot

[Mallakastrioti]

Dua te sjell nje harte interesante te vitit 1740 ku jane tre mbreterite:Ajo e Maqedonise,Epirit dhe Thesalise

[Mallakastrioti]

Dhe per greket e sotem ndoshta u duhet mesuar vetem kjo histori siò e paraqet ky miku....Kjo ishte Greqia e lashte e tyre dhe territori i tyre



Po dalin hartat sa une ne kembe ore...qe ti shohin sa me mire qorrat grek

[ALBPelasgian]

During these invasions of their country, the Illyrians took to the mountains, where they united under the name of Albani, and became a powerful nation, formidable to the eastern empire,
and possessed themselves of Dardania, the whole of Epirus,
and all the mountains up to Macedonia: known now by the name of Arnauts they constitute the most important part of the Turkish forces.

(~An introduction to the study of ancient geography~ By Peter Edmund Laurent, 1830, page 83)

[Mallakastrioti]

" EPIRI - PERKATESIA E TIJ SHQIPTARE"...po ta perkthenim ne anglisht si titull si mund te ishte?

Dua te bej nje video me info. sjell nga gjithe ne, ne kanalin tim nga kjo teme-me logo e arberiaonline. (alla mallakastriotçe kuptohet do jete video )

[Socio]

" EPIRI - PERKATESIA E TIJ SHQIPTARE"...po ta perkthenim ne anglisht si titull si mund te ishte?

Dua te bej nje video me info. sjell nga gjithe ne, ne kanalin tim nga kjo teme-me logo e arberiaonline. (alla mallakastriotçe kuptohet do jete video )

Mallakastrioti, perkthimi i drejteperdrejte do te ishte: 'EPIRUS - ITS ALBANIAN BELONGINGNESS',

ndersa perkthimi me i pershtatshem, qe edhe une do ta kisha sugjeruar ty eshte: 'EPIRUS - ITS ALBANIANESS'

[Mallakastrioti]

" EPIRI - PERKATESIA E TIJ SHQIPTARE"...po ta perkthenim ne anglisht si titull si mund te ishte?

Dua te bej nje video me info. sjell nga gjithe ne, ne kanalin tim nga kjo teme-me logo e arberiaonline. (alla mallakastriotçe kuptohet do jete video )

Mallakastrioti, perkthimi i drejteperdrejte do te ishte: 'EPIRUS - ITS ALBANIAN BELONGINGNESS',

ndersa perkthimi me i pershtatshem, qe edhe une do ta kisha sugjeruar ty eshte: 'EPIRUS - ITS ALBANIANESS'

Faleminderit Socio

[Hymniarber]

Mund te perdoret dhe kjo:
Epirus and its Albanian affiliation.

[ALBPelasgian]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO7SHqyvjQU

Ishte me teper per miqte dhe armiqte e mi kjo video ne youtube dhe kerkoj falje atyre qe nuk munda te fus edhe materialet qe ata kane sjelle ketu,pasi koha ne dispozicion ne video ne youtube eshte jo me teper se 10-min.

Mallakaster, pranoj urimet, komplimentet dhe mirenjohjet e mia te sinqerta ndaj punes suaj te vyeshme. Videoja, materialet ishin te perzgjedhura mire e me shije

Mallakaster, pranoje nje 'verejtje' te vockel nga ana ime:

Duhet t'i kushtojme herave tjera me shume rendesi edhe muzikave ne sfond. Ndoshta ato duken te parendesishme, mirepo kane nje rendesi vendimtare. Meqe studioj gazetarine dhe me ka rene shpeshehere te bej pjese ne krijimin e reportazheve, kam mesuar se tingujt-muzika shoqeruese eshte e rendesise se madhe ne terheqjen e shikuesit. Sepse cdo video ose dokumentar shoqerohet edhe nga nje 'krize vemendjeje' po te perdorim nje term teorik gazetaresk. Ndaj, kjo krize luftohet me se miri, duke i kundervende nje muzike te kendshme, terheqese.

Do te ishte mire sikur te krijonim nje teme te posaqme, nje arkive ose nje kolazh te perzgjedhur instrumentalesh nga me te miret ku me pastaj do i perdornim per videot tona.

[Patush]

Hiqe vidjon Mallakastriot!

dhe me dergo tekstin te shkruaj mire ne anglishte, ka shume gabime drejteshkrimore qe e kthejne ne qesharake.

[Patush]

Mire mire, por e kemi mundesine qe ato gabime ti korrigjojme ketu me ndihmen e njani tjeterit.

Mos hezito here te tjera te kerkosh ndihme!


Gjithsesi, bravo per vidjon!