"Moreover, you scorned our people, and compared the Albanese to sheep, and according to your custom think of us with insults. Nor have you shown yourself to have any knowledge of my race. Our elders were Epirotes, where this Pirro came from, whose force could scarcely support the Romans. This Pirro, who Taranto and many other places of Italy held back with armies. I do not have to speak for the Epiroti. They are very much stronger men than your Tarantini, a species of wet men who are born only to fish. If you want to say that Albania is part of Macedonia I would concede that a lot more of our ancestors were nobles who went as far as India under Alexander the Great and defeated all those peoples with incredible difficulty. From those men come these who you called sheep. But the nature of things is not changed. Why do your men run away in the faces of sheep?"
Letter from Skanderbeg to the Prince of Taranto ▬ Skanderbeg, October 31 1460

EPIRI - PERKATESIA E TIJ SHQIPTARE

Këtu mund të flisni mbi historinë tonë duke sjellë fakte historike për ndriçimin e asaj pjese të historisë mbi të cilen ka rënë harresa e kohës dhe e njerëzve.
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gtcc1 wrote:Alb...,

Artikulli perqendrohet se si 'udhetaret' e shifshin Epirin dhe ve ne dukje te verten historike se Epiri ishte toke shqiptare. Kam pare shkrime Greke duke cituar te njejtat burime, por marre jasht kontekstit me qellim qe te mbulojne te verteten me shoshe...
gtcc1, linku i webit që më dhe ishte thjesht i shkëlqyer. Kishte material të konkretizuar taman shkencërisht. Kjo edhe ua jep dërmen fqinjëve tanë dhe pseudohistorigrafive të tyre të lajthitura.

Poashtu e publikova dhe në webin tim:

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Albanian identities: myth and history
-Stephanie Schwandner-Sievers,Bernd Jürgen Fischer

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Emertimi CAMERIA dhe CAM-prej lumit te lashte Thyamis.
Jemi mesuar ta ndeshim qe sipas Cabejt dhe Lambertz,keta te dy kane shkruar te paret rreth etimollogjise se fjales Cam apo Cameri duke thene qe ka prejardhje nga fjala Thyamis(lumit).
Diçka e tille nuk eshte e vertete qe ishin ata te paret(Pra Cabej dhe Lambertz) qe kishin shtruar nje teze te tille...dikush me heret se ata shkroi rreth kesaj.

Arturo Galanti ne librin e tij "L'Albania: Notizie Geografiche, Ethnografiche e Storiche - Arturo Galanti (1901)"---(shihni vitin kur eshte publikuar libri si dhe shek. qe jetoi autori) sjell kete deshmi:

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Ja çfare shkruan autori (fundi i viteve 1800):

"....;Sciamidet ose Camet(Cam) midis Pavla(lumit) dhe Mavropotamit(qe ndryshe quhej edhe Vouno=Vuno)),me qendrat kryesore ne Paramithi,Margariti dhe Filat(Cameria ose Sciamuria=Tsamouria,siç e quajne greket); dhe banoret e Lamarit,qarkut te Prevezes.Ka shume gjasa qe Camet te kene nxjerre emrin e tyre nga Thyamis(Kallamai i sotem)."

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S'duhet lene ne harrese as ky paragraf i Strabonit, i cili njesoj si te tjeret, tregon iliricitetin e Epiroteve.

Then, beginning at the Ambracian Gulf, all the districts which, one after another, incline towards the east and stretch parallel to the Peloponnesus belong to Greece; they then leave the whole of the Peloponnesus on the right and project into the Aegaean Sea.

εἶτ' ἀπὸ μὲν Ἀμβρακικοῦ κόλπου τὰ νεύοντα ἐφεξῆς πρὸς ἕω, τὰ ἀντιπαρήκοντα τῇ Πελοποννήσῳ, τῆς Ἑλλάδος ἐστίν· εἶτ' ἐκπίπτει ἑἰς τὸ Αἰγαῖον πέλαγος ἀπολιπόντα ἐν δεξιᾷ τὴν Πελοπόννησον ὅλην.
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Edhe filoheleni me i madh i te gjitha koherave, Nicholas G. Hammondi e pranon njejtesine e sistemit tumular midis Shqiperise edhe Epirit, edhe pse mundohet ta modifikoje disi duke sajuar 'grek-foles' etj:

The state of affairs in Epirus is known also from tumulus-burials. This form of burial was originally common to both the Illyrian-speaking and the Greek-speaking branches of the Indo-European peoples, when they entered the southwest Balkans, and it was maintained by the descendants of both on this flank of the peninsula. Tumuli of Middle Bronze Age date at Vajze just south of the lower Aous and at Vodhine in the Kseria valley south were re-used from the last stage of the Bronze Age onwards into the Early Iron Age perhaps by leading families which re-turned to power in these regions. New tumuli were constructed in the Early Iron Age: probably C and D at Vajze, and two at Bodrishte near Vodhine .[92] Altogether new centres developed around the end of the twelfth century and went on into the early Iron Age. At Cepune near Kardhiq in the Kurvelesh a tumulus 22 m in diameter has been excavated recently. Of its 63 burials the earliest were three inhumations and one cremation inside slab-lined cist-graves, the actual cremation having been done outside the cist, and from these came spearheads, javelin heads and long pins of bronze. One fiddle-shaped javelin-head with a facetted socket is like one from Vodhine, and the long pins resemble those at Vajze. This tumulus remained in use into the third century B.C.[93] At Bajkaj near Delvino a tumulus 20 m in diameter had 43 burials which extended from the late twelfth to the ninth century B.C. according to the excavator, Dhimosten Budina. The earliest burial was a cremation. The pottery included a pot of knobbed ware and a jug influenced by Protogeometric style; and a bronze pin, a javelin head and a spearhead were similar to those in other tumulus burials of northern Epirus.[94] With the exception of Cepune, which is in an exceptionally remote part, it seems on present evidence that tumulus-burial was declining from 900 B.C. onwards and may have ended in the course of the ninth century.
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At Dodona and at Vaxia southeast of Dodona Illyrian object's of the eighth and seventh centuries
have been found
, and they are indicative of peaceful and perhaps sometimes warring penetration
by Illyrians.

Kjo 'levizje paqesore' per te cilen ben fjale Hammondi, nuk duhet konsideruar si element migrator ne Epir, por si nenshtrat i perhershem etnografik.
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cuditerisht gjuhetaret me te medhenj qe merren me gjuhen greke edhe ne ditet tona nuk e permendin asgjekundi ekzistencen e gjuhes shqipe ne historirat e gjuhes greke.behet nje anashkalim nen mjeshterin "nuk kemi dokumente te tjera".edhe perse duket sikur analizojn hollesisht historin e gjuhes greke nga shek 5 p e s e deri me sote serisht asgjekundi nuk e perdorin shqipen ne nje kohe qe ekzistojn plote botime historike qe flasin per shqipen ne greqi si p sh fjalori greqisht shqip i Marko Bocarit--Panajoti Kupidori etje e etje

vijm tek injoranca komuniste e Andri Nurellarit ne biseden qe kemi diskutuar ne forum edhe bejm krahesimet tona duke i vendosur ne peshore.Greket edhe perse nga kronikanet e dokumentet vendore shfaqen si shqiptare kudo ne greqi,serisht dijetaret e ditve tona nuk flasin per ekzistencen e asnje fjale te vetme shqipe ne greqi...ndersa ne shqiptaret jo vetem qe i bejm greket me te vjeter ne shqiperi..ne Apolloni-shek 7 p e s..me pare se te shkruheshin veprat homerike ne djepin e greqishtes-athinen-ne shek 6-5 p e s edhe ne gjuhe jo greke,por nuk interesohemi aspak as per historin edhe as per prejardhjen pellazge te gjuhes sone,,,,,sepse sipas Nurellarit "te drejtat edhe te ardhmen tone i garantojn organizatat nderkombtare ...ashtu si traktati i varshaves ..apo turqia ne kohet me te vjetra.
kombi pa histori edhe me shpresa ne forcat momentare eshte nje kombe i vdekur edhe kjo u vertetua me te drejten historike qe po pretendojn sllavet per Leken e Madhe gje qe historikisht eshte e pamundur ..por ja qe atadine shume mire ti kalojn pretendimet e tyre per te nenshtruar edhe me shume shqiptaret...deri ne shkaterrim
KOHA ESHTE E MASKARENJVE/POR ATDHEU I SHQIPETRAVE
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1515
John Musachi:
Brief Chronicle on the Descendants of our Musachi Dynasty

The chronicle or memoir of John Musachi (Ital. Giovanni Musachi) constitutes the oldest substantial text written by an Albanian. Musachi, despot of Epirus, was of a noble, ruling family from the Myzeqe region of central Albania. He was forced to abandon his land and take flight to Italy when Albanian resistance to the Ottoman conquest collapsed and the country was occupied by the Turks
http://www.albanianhistory.net/texts16-18/AH1515.html



... In his memoir, John Musachi, with obvious regret, states the following:
For this reason, I beg you, my children, to fear and to love God, and I appeal to you to be good Christians, if you wish to have my blessing, for it was the sins of the rulers of the Greeks, and indeed our own ones, too, which first plunged us into this abyss of pain and suffering. Be humble and devout and always avoid sin. Have faith in the Holy Trinity and in the Most Sacred Mother of our Saviour, who will save your souls and give you good health. Take to heart Christian teachings, do good and righteous deeds and return to your homeland.
So John Musachi, was an Epirote (Albanian), an orthodox christian, a Despot, a Byzantine leader ... and yet he was NOT GREEK !
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italiano-epirotico con tavola sinottica
Di Francesco Rossi

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"Novum lexicon geographicum"-1697
Filippo Ferrari

...ne faqen 7 te librit gjejme nje citim te tille te autorit.

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Shenimet me te kuqe jane te mia.
Ne mos gaboj maleve ne latinisht u thone "montibus" dhe molles i thone "malum"(te pakten me ato njohuri modeste qe kam).
Fill mbas fjales se nenvizuar nga une,te autorit:
"...&Ceraunii MELAE"....autori shkruan...."Monti della Chimera"---qe ne shqip perkthehet "Malet e Himares"

Ndoshta gaboj,kerkoj nje mendimin tuaj ju lutem sa qendron ajo fjale ,pra "Melae" qe mund te jete e njejta me fjalen shqipe "Male".
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Arbëri wrote:italiano-epirotico con tavola sinottica
Di Francesco Rossi
http://books.google.it/books?id=gu4RAAA ... &q&f=false
Shkelqyer Arberi. Une po sjell nje faqe tjeter dhe po perkthej nje paragraf te saj:

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..........e folura e kesaj pjese te Turqise Europiane(eshte fjala per perandorine-shenimi im) ne te cilen lumenjte derdhen ne detin Adriatik dhe Jon e qe quhet ALBANIA................dhe vendasit (indigenet) quhen Shqipetare................


Pra vendasit qe banojne Adriatikun dhe Jonin, nuk jane nje kombinim i grekeve dhe shqiptareve, dhe as vendi nuk quhet pjeserisht Greqi dhe pjeserisht Shqiperi, megjithese eshte viti 1860, kur Greqia kishte 50 vjete qe zgjeronte territoret, dhe Shqiperia as nuk egzistonte si shtet, por do i duheshin dhe 50 vjete te tjere, te shpallej e tille e gjymtuar dhe tjetersuar.
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“Nëse doni të zbuloni historinë para Krishtit dhe
shkencat e asaj kohe, duhet të studioni gjuhën shqipe !"
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Mallakastrioti wrote:"Novum lexicon geographicum"-1697
Filippo Ferrari

...ne faqen 7 te librit gjejme nje citim te tille te autorit.

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Shenimet me te kuqe jane te mia.
Ne mos gaboj maleve ne latinisht u thone "montibus" dhe molles i thone "malum"(te pakten me ato njohuri modeste qe kam).
Fill mbas fjales se nenvizuar nga une,te autorit:
"...&Ceraunii MELAE"....autori shkruan...."Monti della Chimera"---qe ne shqip perkthehet "Malet e Himares"

Ndoshta gaboj,kerkoj nje mendimin tuaj ju lutem sa qendron ajo fjale ,pra "Melae" qe mund te jete e njejta me fjalen shqipe "Male".
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Mallakastrioti, ketu me poshte ke pergjigjen e pyetjes tende:

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Zeus10 wrote:
Mallakastrioti wrote:"Novum lexicon geographicum"-1697
Filippo Ferrari

...ne faqen 7 te librit gjejme nje citim te tille te autorit.

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Shenimet me te kuqe jane te mia.
Ne mos gaboj maleve ne latinisht u thone "montibus" dhe molles i thone "malum"(te pakten me ato njohuri modeste qe kam).
Fill mbas fjales se nenvizuar nga une,te autorit:
"...&Ceraunii MELAE"....autori shkruan...."Monti della Chimera"---qe ne shqip perkthehet "Malet e Himares"

Ndoshta gaboj,kerkoj nje mendimin tuaj ju lutem sa qendron ajo fjale ,pra "Melae" qe mund te jete e njejta me fjalen shqipe "Male".
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Mallakastrioti, ketu me poshte ke pergjigjen e pyetjes tende:

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Wow...i nderuar vella...se dje po me ziente koka gati dy ore (biles isha ne medyshje ta vija si post---mos beja figuren e idiotit)!
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